On 2/4/02 7:08 AM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well it isn't actually, but I've been told to shut up, so I'll leave it >> here. > > Unlike Ted, I think you should try to get your point trough. > > If you are sure that everybody else understood your POV and everybody > is against, THEN it is the time to quit. If you think you were still > not understood, then you should try to get trough. > > I would not have changed my mind if it was not for Costin arguments. > That only happened because Costin did not stay quiet. Nah. I'm done. Some people don't understand what I am saying - Ted keeps trying to go off on tangents like making Commons an ASF project, or whatever - but that's my fault, I guess. Some people do, and don't agree. That's cool. I made sure I kept my end flame-free, and will keep to that. Thanks for the interesting discussion. geir > > > Have fun, > Paulo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:40 PM >> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List >> Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release >> >> >> On 2/4/02 6:43 AM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Inline... >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:28 AM >>>> >>>> We have the ability to affect change on this thing I believe >> is a problem. >>>> (One answer is "It's not a problem" I suppose...) >>>> >>>> The only answers I hear are "Things are fine" or "Tomorrow..." >> or "That's >>>> prevented by the rules". >>> >>> And IT IS prevented by the rules. A lot of people would veto the kind >>> of nastiness you are afraid of and the mess would be rolled back. >> >> Well it isn't actually, but I've been told to shut up, so I'll leave it >> here. >> >>> >>>> I know it's hypothetical, and has been ruled to be a waste of >>>> bandwidth, but >>>> what about the "log4j crew" vs "logkit crew" in the the >> "everyone gets to >>>> vote irrespective of contribution" model? >>> >>> AFAIK only some of us are proposing such model to be applied to the >>> whole Jakarta (and I am NOT one of them). >>> >>> Besides, a lot of people (including me) would prefer to have BOTH >>> LogKit and Log4J and veto such mess. >> >> I want both too. >> >>> I also think that both logging teams, although not always very wise, >>> are still much wiser than that. >>> >> >> I know. I have high regard for Ceki and Peter. That's why its >> hypothetical. >> >> geir >> >> -- >> Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> System and Software Consulting >> You're going to end up getting pissed at your software >> anyway, so you might as well not pay for it. Try Open Source. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting Java : the speed of Smalltalk with the simple elegance of C++... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
