Ah, well that's a bit more subjective.  :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Morgan Delagrange"
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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: [logging] Need interface...


> Sorry Morgan, I was not clear at all.
>
> What I meant is that the effort that gave shape to what the
> commons-logging now is only happened after the Avalon stuff
> was already mature.
>
> I was not clear at all and did not even used any ironic or
> sarcastic expression that would hint at what I wanted to
> say:
>  - The Avalon stuff was already done when the commons stuff
>    was still a bad draft.
>
> Sorry, my mind is not so focused on Jakarta stuff at the
> moment.
>
>
> Have fun,
> Paulo Gaspar
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Morgan Delagrange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:38 PM
> > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [logging] Need interface...
> >
> >
> > Not that it really matters, but the Commons effort started first.  It
was
> > based on the Logger abstraction that was being used in HttpClient:
> >
> >
> >
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=101233756524603&w=2
> >
> > That implementation started the discussions that resulted in both the
> > Commons component and the Avalon abstraction.
> >
> > - Morgan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [logging] Need interface...
> >
> >
> > > Maybe commons started "thinking" about it sooner, but the
> > > efforts started later. I am quite sure about that since I
> > > followed both.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have fun,
> > > Paulo Gaspar
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 PM
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> > > > Subject: RE: [logging] Need interface...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > So Avalon has a generic logger interface too?
> > > >
> > > > Yep.  officially released first, but it seems that commons
> > > > began its efforts before Avalon.
> > > >
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