Sorry Morgan, I was not clear at all.

What I meant is that the effort that gave shape to what the 
commons-logging now is only happened after the Avalon stuff
was already mature.

I was not clear at all and did not even used any ironic or
sarcastic expression that would hint at what I wanted to 
say:
 - The Avalon stuff was already done when the commons stuff
   was still a bad draft.

Sorry, my mind is not so focused on Jakarta stuff at the 
moment.


Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Delagrange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:38 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [logging] Need interface...
> 
> 
> Not that it really matters, but the Commons effort started first.  It was
> based on the Logger abstraction that was being used in HttpClient:
> 
>   
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=101233756524603&w=2
> 
> That implementation started the discussions that resulted in both the
> Commons component and the Avalon abstraction.
> 
> - Morgan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [logging] Need interface...
> 
> 
> > Maybe commons started "thinking" about it sooner, but the
> > efforts started later. I am quite sure about that since I
> > followed both.
> >
> >
> > Have fun,
> > Paulo Gaspar
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 PM
> > > To: 'Jakarta Commons Developers List'
> > > Subject: RE: [logging] Need interface...
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > So Avalon has a generic logger interface too?
> > >
> > > Yep.  officially released first, but it seems that commons
> > > began its efforts before Avalon.
> > >
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