On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Henri Yandell wrote: > The solution I think is to change the Commons site utterly. Stop it being > an umbrella site, and turn it into more of a portal. Something that lists > the site but doesn't have any need for a change to the portal page to > imply a change to all sub-pages [beyond a change of logo].
I hear what you are saying on one level, but I don't think that this issue is completely unsolvable. I think we need to make a three month plan with some milestones, and talk about a unified rendering strategy. In the short-term I think unified Navigation would be a straightforward thing to do with our current setup, and I'm willing to put in the time (and donate my own hardware) resources for testing out some strategies. I'll put together a proposal about how Commons should approach site gen. > Summarising, I see 2 viable options: > > 1) Dump Maven. > 2) Dump the common nav bar. Again, I think we can do this in a relatively painless way that reduces the custodial burden on people who have taken up the task of keeping our sites up to date. I think we can do it with Maven, but I'm always open to other possibilities. Giveus another 3 weeks, and I think we can find a way to get this done right. > Extremes being: > > 3) Improve Maven. > 4) Switch to dynamic pages, php/jsp/ssi. I have no object to dynamic pages as a long-term goal, but I don't think we need that drastic a change, yet. But, thanks for raising the possibility. Tim > > Hen > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Tim O'Brien wrote: > > > Here are the issues: > > > > 1. Maven sites are derived from content already stored in CVS. > > > > 2. Using CVS as a backup for a simple site does make sense, BUT this > > concept doesn't scale when there is a large amount of content that could > > be changing on a daily basis. Take change logs, or unit test reports. > > Or, think about versioning the StatCVS html - versioning an analysis of > > our version control. Storing deltas for this does not seem to be > > intelligent. > > > > 3. As of this Monday there were still four or five Maven gen sites that > > had the nav ad for ApacheCon. now this raises the question, if there is > > a Commons site with that ad it hints to me that no one hasn't taken > > responsibility for maintaining that site. Few people take > > responsibility for site publishing right now, and making the process an > > order of magnitude more difficult (requiring a "huge" number of files to > > be versioned every time a site is republished) will only serve to > > discourage people from taking initiative. > > > > Seriously, we should not make what is a straightforward process more > > difficult just because "that's the policy" Adding another step to a > > process that no one performs - that just means that fewer people will > > step up to the plate and take the initiative to improve our confusing > > hodgepodge of websites. > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > Henri Yandell wrote: > > > > >It's pretty easy to change, though it assumes that everyone is playing by > > >the rules. > > > > > >When I last attempted to make a change to the Commons site, there were > > >clashes in the latka/ directory and local modifications in the httpclient/ > > >directory. > > > > > >The latka clashes on reflection appear to be due to the documents being > > >removed from CVS, but the old CVS entries remaining. > > > > > >Changing the navigation bar means being quite open with your cvs update, > > >and I'm hesitant to go breaking latka and potentially causing an issue > > >with httpclient. > > > > > >Hen > > > > > >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Stephen Colebourne wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>IIRC it was official apache policy. And I think if you look at all the > > >>non-maven sites you'll find most have CVS folders on the server. > > >> > > >>BTW, the lang maven site doen't link from the commons home page yet, and > > >>that seems a more complex job to change... > > >> > > >>Stephen > > >> > > >>From: "__matthewHawthorne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > >> > > >>>There were talks a few months ago about checking in sites -- but as far > > >>>as I can see all of the commons project sites are not checked in. I > > >>>didn't really like the idea anyway, and I'm not sure what the story is > > >>>anymore. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- ---------------------- Tim O'Brien Evanston, IL (847) 863-7045 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
