What is the web site... And what are the improvements?   

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From: Michael Becke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:27 AM
To: Commons HttpClient Project
Subject: Re: HttpClient 3.0 is kind of done. Feedback needed

I agree.  I think we're ready for another 3.0 release.

There has been surprisingly little comment on the 3.0 API, and I'm also
concerned about freezing it until we've had more feedback.  We definitely
have a "chicken and the egg" problem here.  My preference is to continue
with a new 3.0 alpha release, and make a concerted effort to get it in front
of people.

One area that we have been lacking is in promotion of 3.0 on the web site.
Currently the only mention of it is on the status page.  Perhaps we should
make the 3.0 docs and javadocs available on the site, and try to reference
them where possible from 2.0.  My feeling is that once people are aware of
some of the 3.0 improvements they are willing to try it out, but unless they
are HttpClient regulars they may not know it exists.

Come now Oleg.  You haven't been the "Evil Comrade" for some time now :)

Mike

On Sep 16, 2004, at 5:52 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:

>
> Folks,
>
> It looks like HttpClient 3.0 is not only ALPHA2 ready, it is almost 
> code and feature complete. There are only 5 open tickets targeted for 
> 3.0 FINAL. It may take me just a couple of days to get all the 
> remaining issues dealt with, if needed.
>
> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi? 
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> dto=Now&chfieldvalue=&product=Commons&component=HttpClient&target_mile
> s 
> tone=3.0+Alpha+2&target_milestone=3.0+Beta+1&target_milestone=3.0+Beta
> + 
> 2&target_milestone=3.0+Final&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwordssubst
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>
> Unless we start getting considerably more feedback, HttpClient 3.0 
> development will stall completely.
>
> I sense there are lots of folks who are not willing to port their code 
> from 2.0.x to 3.0 because the 3.0 branch is still considered unstable.
> At the same time HttpClient 3.0 will stay there unless people start 
> porting.
>
> I think it is really import to call an API freeze rather sooner than 
> later. That will enable to drop newer releases in place of older ones 
> and should give people enough confidence to start the transition from 
> 2.0.x to 3.0. But before the API can be formally frozen I would really 
> like to hear some feedback from our users and peer open-source 
> developers. So far we have had virtually no feedback on the new API 
> and I am concerned that we may see an avalanche of change requests as 
> soon as we formally announce the API freeze and move closer to the first
RC.
>
> How does everyone feel about it?
>
> Please share your ideas with me. I also have a few, but they all range 
> from 'ugly' to 'very ugly' and may involve my wearing my 'Evil Comrade'
> hat and threatening people with some nasty stuff ;-)
>
> Anyways, before things turn ugly, give us some feedback, 
> pleeeeeeeeeeese
>
> Oleg
>
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