Mike, that’s fair, but that framework is also set up such that icann performs 
its functions related to the ASO entirely under policies and dirrctives issued 
to it by the NRO/ASO (although formally ratified by the ICANN board), and 
that’s why I used the term puppet. 

Owen

> On Aug 2, 2021, at 01:42, Mike Silber <silber.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Noah
> 
> Without getting into the content of your mail and without endorsing the 
> specific language chosen by Owen: The RIRs are independent and ICANN does not 
> in any way direct or control the RIRs.
> 
> The RIRs chose to operate within the ICANN framework, however can move the 
> NRO / ASO out of ICANN at any time (including moving the contract out of PTI 
> as well).
> 
> So I would not characterise ICANN as “puppet” of the NRO - but rather a 
> framework within which an independent NRO choses to operate. That may be a 
> distinction without a difference - so I am not offended by Owen’s choice of 
> words.
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On 2 Aug 2021, at 10:23, Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> 
>> Owen,
>> 
>> I have some questions for you...
>> 
>>> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:43 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss, 
>>> <community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> While people often mistake ICANN for some form of authority, the reality is 
>>> that for number
>>> resources, ICANN is a puppet at the end of the strings pulled by the NRO 
>>> (which acts in the
>>> role of ICANN ASO).
>> 
>> 
>> Your association with LARUS has really got you off the rails.
>> 
>> No wonder Larus has created the so called purported organization called the 
>> *Number Resource Alliance* aka NRA  whose website is  https://www.nra.help/
>> 
>> Since you claim that ICANN is a puppet of the NRO, and not an authority, is 
>> that why your LARUS which is linked to Cloud Innovation Ltd created this so 
>> called *NRA* organisation.
>> 
>> Are IPv4 brokers now forming their own system?  Against ICANN and the NRO? 
>> 
>> I ask because your sentiments that ICANN is a puppet are really wanting.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Noah
>> 
>>  
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