Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> > Unrelated to whether or not we would use it, I think that blojsom could
be a
> > very nice ASF project.  From what I have seen of it, I'd support its
entry
> > to the Incubator.

> Does it seem sensible to take an already successful ASL licensed,
> community developed piece of software by an already successful
> open source developer and force it into a somewhat beta status by
> making it go through the incubator "just because that is the way
> things are done"?

The Incubator's purpose is to ensure that projects coming into the ASF

  - are legally clean,
  - that their communities are healthy,
  - and that they follow basic ASF policies/procedures.

In my opinion, some projects are spending too long in the Incubator because
they aren't focusing on getting out.

If a project is a successful, ASF license, community-developed piece of
software, then it need not stay long in the Incubator.  However, ASF
projects are supposed to be developed by communities, because it is
important that the project survive beyond the interests of any particular
participant.  That is why two of the purposes for Incubation are to ensure
that there is a healthy developing COMMUNITY, and that it is following basic
ASF policies.

Cocoon's Lenya project and XML's XMLBeans project are far from "beta
status."  As noted by multiple projects in the Incubator: "Incubation is
required of all newly accepted projects until a further review indicates
that the infrastructure, communications, and decision making process have
stabilized in a manner consistent with other successful ASF projects.  While
incubation status is not necessarily a reflection of the completeness or
stability of the code, it does indicate that the project has yet to be fully
endorsed by the ASF."

Endorsement by the ASF is based upon with the belief that a project's IP is
clean, and that it has developed a healthy community that will ensure its
long term viability.  We incubate projects to ensure those things, not for
ceremony or "just because that is the way things are done."

        --- Noel


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