James Mitchell wrote:
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For the record (and if I wasn't clear before) I am NOT against playboy being a mirror or Apache using the mirror (whether it is being blocked or not). I AM against putting a link and/or image that links from Apache to playboy.
Trust me, I've been all over playboy.com for reasons I don't care to elaborate on (what can I say, I'm a guy ;). But I will not sit idly by and let others (who apparently don't run their own business) put my company at risk.
I always try to give credit where credit is due (powered by logo and link). My clients (all but 1) are not skilled enough to want to download something from a mirror and realize...."oh shit!!, look where its coming from!". That's not likely to happen. They _would_ have a problem if one of _their_ clients or customers called and said they clicked their way from their site to Apache, and on to Playboy. Hell, I might even get sued.
Here's a little test for you. Ask the eclipse project and/or IBM if they would add playboy's logo and link if they agreed to provide some bandwidth for them. What answer do you think you will get back? I can almost assure you that if it is not "no", it will be "hell no".
Do you even realize how many web sites out there have "powered by" logos and links to Apache and the various subprojects?
I am begging you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT put their logo or link on our (yes, OUR) web site. You can't even imagine what the media will do with this if you do. God help us all.
If you do this, it will only hurt Apache's name and reputation.
If the current mirroring policy is broken, then it should be said so with comments and suggestions on how to fix it.
+1 for rethinking the policy
"rethinking the policy" is NOT what Jim suggested.
What Jim meant when he said that is that people should STOP saying things like "I am begging you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and "God help us all.", and START making concrete suggestions on how the policy itself should change.
The closest thing I see to that in your email is a suggestion that we let the Eclipse Foundation be the final arbiter in who the Apache Software Foundation will allow to be listed as an official mirror.
- Sam Ruby
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