On Friday 24 September 2004 17:44, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > Could some of the Avalon folks maybe state in a few (!) > sentences, what is the issue over Avalon / Merlin and the rejected Metro > proposal?
"Few" is very difficult :o) Regarding the deferred Metro proposal I have a brief summary on; http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=avalon-dev&m=109596375318828&w=2 Short story; We have this simple request for our own (Metro) place to prosper, without the legacy of bad reputation, hard feelings and heated debates. A place where we can get on with the development of an exciting new product, that we believe so much in, and where user showcases indicates true real-world successes. We are currently 4 very active committers, and 2-3 users that are potential new committers, and IMHO that should be more than enough, IF it wasn't for the entire Avalon history (see below). Long story follows, skip if not interested. <warning> This is my personal impression of events that have occurred and interpretation of them to the best of my limited objective abilities. </warning> The issue in Avalon is very deep, and probably goes as far back as 2002 or earlier, definately before 'my time' in Avalon. I think it boils down to this; Strong-headed, ambitious and very technically talented people were drawn to Avalon, possibly by their own dreams of how Avalon should evolve and become. And this couldn't be resolved on the drawing board. Some wanted a very 'so called' light-weight system, and others wanted a more robust system. So, the Container War ensued, where each group (typically one or two people) forged ahead implementing their ideas, and along the way make strong enemies with the others, including the incident of Peter Donald's dismissal from Avalon (and AFAIU the rest of the ASF). Strong-man Berin Loritsch ran out of steam with Fortress, and Stephen McConnell was the man standing when the dust settled. From the beginning until now, many great people within ASF, such as Barozzi, Mazzocchi, Simons, Hammant, Turner, was upset about the war-like situation and left in disgust (right-fully so). Left is an active set of committers rallying around Merlin, and the "old enemies" who insist on creating hindrance whenever opportunity rises. Left is also a "stamp" on Stephen McConnell, saying that he doesn't work according to the Apache Way, that he bulldozes his ways through, is not co-operative, and other negative sentiments regarding his community skills. Enough so that the Board now declared that he is not fit for _any_ PMC. Cheers Niclas -- +------//-------------------+ / http://www.bali.ac / / http://niclas.hedhman.org / +------//-------------------+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
