Thanks for noticing the garden in NYC. It was not a community garden, but a restaurant garden at Riverside, and my son Thomas Kosbau designed it and he and his architectural firm came to the rescue when Hurricane Sandy was coming and moves the crates inside. I do know about crates, and other above ground container gardening, which has a place. The benefit of retrofitting the ground (and that includes remediation, often funded by Brownfield Funds from the Federal Government through your city) is that the whole capture of water is enhanced and run-off is deterred. Soil is rebuilt and micro-organisms can thrive. Just saying. Leslie Pohl-Kosbau
----- Original Message ----- From: "Diann Dirks" <[email protected]> To: "dave chappell" <[email protected]>, "Ray Schutte" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], "Susan Finlayson" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 3:54:30 AM Subject: Re: [Community_garden] gardening on road base? When you pull up asphalt, you really should decontaminate the soil if you plan on growing anything in it. I have seen a number of successful projects where people have built raised beds over asphalt either in containers or crates or boxes lined with landscape cloth and raised up two levels above that with crates, drip system, wood chips in the pathways. I saw a garden in NYC built on a rooftop which was very successful. Then when they had a big storm coming in (hurricane I believe) a bunch of volunteers moved the whole garden, crates and all, in a few hours inside, and the garden was saved. This strategy works quite well, easy to work and harvest, expandable. Two rows of crates next to each other makes a workable sized row, then pathways two crates worth wide, as long as you wish to make them. Putting it up above the pavement keeps it cooler in the hot sun. The other nice thing about growing in crates in such an application is that they are moveable at a moment’s notice and can be rearranged if a more suitable pattern can be achieved. The boxes are light, even filled with soil. A very nice system. Digging up asphalt is a real pain. Then you have the problem of where to put it. It is then toxic waste unless you can return it to an asphalt company. Diann Dirks Certified Permaculture Designer thegardenladyofga.wordpress.com blogsite Auburn, Ga. From: dave chappell Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:16 PM To: Ray Schutte ; 'Diann Dirks' Cc: Community Garden Listserve ; 'Susan Finlayson' Subject: RE: [Community_garden] gardening on road base? Look into the history of the Edible Schoolyard in Berkeley Calif. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_Schoolyard....see if you can talk to any of the original developers of it. They pulled up a parking lot also... I agree with Ray of course, and as much land prep as you can muster is all the better...be bold and ask the community at large to help out! Good Luck! Dave Chappell Community Garden Advocate Placer School Gardens Project 916.261.5745 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > CC: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Community_garden] gardening on road base? > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:12:53 -0800 > > Allowing water to filter into the ground is a sound environmental practice. > Deep roots can extract chemicals from the asphalt. Roots will go down and > mine minerals, why mine minerals from the asphalt. > > Ray > www.rayschutte.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Community_garden > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dave > chappell > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:04 PM > To: Diann Dirks > Cc: [email protected]; Susan Finlayson > Subject: Re: [Community_garden] gardening on road base? > > I agree with Diane and Rashid > You may not have to build actual boxes but you could use berms.... > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 20-Nov-2014, at 1:54 PM, Diann Dirks <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So right Rashid. > > Diann Dirks > > The Garden Lady of Ga. (thegardenladyofga.wordpress.com) > > Permaculture Designer, Auburn, Ga. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: K. Rashid Nuri > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:17 PM > > To: [email protected] ; Susan Finlayson > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Community_garden] gardening on road base? > > > > why not go up instead of going down. build raised beds. this will make the > work easier, will not require a tractor and make mitigating soil > contaminants much easier. > > > > > > > > K. Rashid Nuri > > > > Truly Living Well > > P.O. 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This all needs to be tractor work. Does anyone else have > suggestions? We are going to be doing this as well this next year. > > > > Leslie Pohl-Kosbau > > Friends of Portland Community Gardens > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Susan Finlayson" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:32:09 PM > > Subject: [Community_garden] gardening on road base? > > > > Does anyone have experience building a community garden on a site covered > > in road base? This is a parking lot, with the top layer of asphalt > > removed, but about 18 inches of road base gravel. 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