WARNING : Kieth is being somewhat heavy handed here and I agree with him. On 5/4/07, Keith M Wesolowski <keith.wesolowski at sun.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 03:42:49PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: > > > Can we agreed that the current consumer of the work done through > > OpenSolaris.org is Sun Microsystems? (Through Solaris, and Sun's > > downstream customers) > > I could not possibly disagree with this more. However, as thoroughly > wrong as this is conceptually, it's very close to being correct > textually: all you need to do is change "the current consumer" to "a > current consumer" and you'll be fine. But that's a giant shift in > worldview for a three-character change.
That allows for Nexenta, BeleniX, SchilliX and maybe even Blastware to exist as well as Solaris. That is cool, right and true. > > The weekly builds are after all called Solaris Express, not > > OpenSolaris express. > > Those are builds of Sun's distribution. It is not the only possible > distribution, nor the only extant one. If other distributors choose > not to offer biweekly builds, that's a management choice they have > made. The materials they need to do so are available to them, often > in real time. And I make sure that build servers are available and they are in real time. No one can complain that the sources and the facilities are not here. > > That said, a Sun employee is by fact a representative of Sun, as their > > No. Sun, like all corporations, hires mouthpieces of one sort or granted .. and wwho am I to argue the point? > The belief that anyone who works for Sun is necessarily here, > interacting with those who do not, as corporate representatives of any > kind is one of the most toxic possible assumptions anyone can make. agreed. I don't represent any given corporation in what I do with Blastwave. You don't represent Sun Micro Inc when you are here in the OpenSolaris community and we really do need to put a nail in that idea. However, we do need to agree that there is one heck of a massive overlap in the interests here and no one will argue that Sun Microsystems Inc. benefits from the work done in the OpenSolaris community. Perhaps, over time, we will see other distros that are commercial grade and if we work to open up those last closed bits who knows .. we may even get to the promised land. Build .. boot and rebuild all on the same open source framework with no need for closed bits from anyone else. Thats a dream right there. > around where OpenSolaris goes and how it gets there. If you believe > that everyone is just here to serve Sun's interests, why on earth > would you stay? Open source people are weird. That is the best explanation I can give. :-) > > involvement in OpenSolaris is paid for by Sun. I don't think there is > > Actually, it's not. Sun pays me to do certain things; participating > in OpenSolaris development is only a small (and largely incidental) > part of it. Different people here may have greater or lesser > job-related responsibilities to this community, but at the end of the > day, Sun is paying most of its employees you see here primarily to > make Solaris. OpenSolaris happens to be the mechanism by which that's > accomplished. no debate. > > a need to make a distinction between Solaris and OpenSolaris at this > > time. > > Then we have failed, and should all pack up and go home. ummm .. I am home. Surrounded by servers and I am home. The essence of open source must still be long haired hippies in their basements doing what needs to be done because they want too. I would like to think that I can do that sort of thing as a hobby and be really productive for the OpenSolaris community at the same time. Please keep in mind .. I'm not arguing or debating a topic here .. just talking off the top of my head and going with how I feel. I often get a lot done that way. Dennis
