Point is simple. You don't have to be liberal or socialist to have big problems with monopolists. Is Tom's obsession with Gates unhealthy? That's for him an his shrink to decide.
--- Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So Paul, what is your point? That markets aren't perfect? That > players try > to tilt the playing field in their favor against their competitors > through > government interference? Or was it just an opportunity to grind a > worn axe? > None of this is news to me and I know it wasn't to Friedman either. > > He wrote " Of course, this is abstract and idealized. The world is > not > ideal. There are all sorts of deviations from the perfect > market--many, if > not most, I suspect, due to government interventions. But with all > its > defects, the current largely free-market, private-property world > seems to me > vastly preferable to a world in which a large fraction of resources > is used > and distributed by 501c(3)s and their corporate counterparts." That > makes > eminent sense to me, but I also believe the world market is big > enough to > house both Mackeyian and Friedmanian businesses. Vote with your > dollars > which one holds more value to you. > > 1970 economics? 2007 economics? I don't even know what that is. > > Regardless, that wasn't the point of the link. The point of that was > to > show that what Tom is decrying is already being done and has been > done for > some time now. It also presented 3 differing views on the matter. > Just > like Jobs got credit for pushing the music companies to go DRM free, > when > others had been at it for years before him, Gates is being credited > for > pushing an old idea as new. > > Gates pushed an idea, one that Bono is already doing, for example, > and all > Tom heard was "booga booga!!" My eyes get tired from all the rolling > and I > hoped that he might actually learn something. > > ----------------------------------- > > Jeff, > > There are two arguments that mitigate against the Friedmann pov. > One > > using > > 1970 economics and one using 2007 economics. > > > > The "morality" of maximizing profits is based on the idea that > markets > > do certain things efficiently and so promoting the freedom of > business > > people, > > entrepreneurs and corporations creates a productive win-win > situation > > where > > everyone benefits and freedom for business (and maybe for everyone > > else, > > thought that is a much harder argument to sustain). > > > > If the market transactions don't make an optimal use of > economic/social > > resources then the whole argument becomes questionable (except for > > libertarians who believe that any exercise of governmental power is > > inherently > > problematic - not exactly a widely shared belief though one shared > by > > the editors of Reason). > > > > So is "the market" efficient? > > 1970 answer. Yes, but not when there is market failure. I.e. Not in > the > > case where monopoly or externalities. Something that has been > > recognized > > for a long time (since the 80's anyway) is that even markets that > are > > not > > technically monopolies still act like monopolies, i.e. they keep > there > > prices > > higher than if there was a truly competitive situation. This is > called > > oligopoly, > > and many, many market in the economy appear to have price behavior > > that appears oligopolistic. I could explain why, but the point is > that > > it happens. > > > > 2007 answer. Some nobel prize winning economists have argued and > their > > view are pretty mainstream, even if debated, that the availability > (or > > rather the > > lack of availability) of information robs consumers of the ability > to > > push the market > > through price competition to its ideal efficiency. The so-called > > information assymmetry economist argue that this problem of not > enough > > information is > > the rule rather than the exception. > > > > Beyond the point of whether the markets are efficient, maximizing > > profits in > > the real world means corporations lobby and constantly try to > change > > the > > rules of the game in their favor. They try to change laws about > > finance, taxes, > > regulation etc. They actually like to make markets less > competitive > > when > > they hold a dominant position in them. The also compete not > through > > prices > > or even through quality but through marketing and advertising > (which to > > some > > extent is the information asymmetry raising its ugly head). > > > > And beyond > > that there is problem that managers have never, ever acted solely > in > > the interests > > of owners but usually in their own interests as well, even when > that > > involves > > an inordinate of risk in the long-term (whereas managers interests > are > > notoriously > > short term). > > > > I think you could find intellectual honest, economically literate > > conservatives > > who would argue that Gates is a threat to free market and > capitalism in > > general. > > > ************************************************************************ > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in > <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? 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