On 21.01.2013, at 14:17, Michael Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Frank, > > I agree with the spirit of the manifesto but I have a couple of > reservations. > > First, the idea that people own the data they create is problematic. > The manifesto describes rights belonging to the creator of personal > data, which must be respected by those who store and process the data. > In contrast, European data protection law describes rights belonging > to the *subject* of the data, which must be respected by those who > store and process it. I hope those two sets of rights can be > reconciled, since it seems to me that both the creator and the subject > have an interest in how the data's used; but I'm not sure ownership is > the best approach to reconciling such conflicting interests, since it > tends to produce binary outcomes (either you own something or you don't). I'm not an expert in that. Do you have a suggestion to to rephrase that? > Second, having the source code to server software doesn't enable you > to confirm that it works as specified; it's not possible to know > whether the binary running on the server corresponds to the source > code you've downloaded. I still think we should insist on free > software, but we should recognise that it only protects us if the > server operator is acting in good faith. I agree. The idea is to describe here what the right of the users are. How to do this in reality might be tricky but this doesn't change the principals Cheers Frank > > Cheers, > Michael > > On 21/01/13 12:43, Frank Karlitschek wrote: >> Hi, >> >> let's try to create a version 2 of the manifesto together. I >> created a draft 1 based on the feedback. So What do you think? >> >> >> Frank >> >> >> -- User data manifesto V2 draft 1 >> >> Changeslog: >> >> - Add a remark to 3. that it is recommended to have an own server >> for the personal data. - Removed "open source" so that only "free >> software" is in point 8. - Replaced "Invulnerability of data" with >> "Protect the data from loss" - Replaced "own data" with "personal >> data" >> >> ---------------- 1. Control the personal data The data that someone >> directly or indirectly creates belongs to the person who created >> it. >> >> 2. Know where the data is stored Everybody should be able to know: >> where their personal data is physically stored, how long, on which >> server, in what country, and what laws apply. >> >> 3. Choose the storage location Everybody should always be able to >> migrate their personal data to a different provider, server or >> their own machine at any time without being locked in to a specific >> vendor. It is recommended to have the personal server for the >> personal data in the long term. >> >> 4. Control access Everybody should be able to know, choose and >> control who has access to their personal data to see or modify it. >> >> 5. Choose the conditions If someone chooses to share their personal >> data, then the user selects the sharing license and conditions. >> >> 6. Protect the data from loss Everybody should be able to protect >> their personal data against surveillance and to federate their >> personal data for backups to prevent data loss or for any other >> reason. >> >> 7. Use it optimally Everybody should be able to access and use >> their personal data at all times with any device they choose and in >> the most convenient and easiest way for them. >> >> 8. Server software transparency Server software should be free >> software so that the source code of the software can be inspected >> to confirm that it works as specified. >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 15.01.2013, at 17:03, Rich Hilliard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> if it allows rms to participate, I'm in favor. >>> >>> ________________________________________ From: Frank Karlitschek >>> [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January >>> 15, 2013 10:56 AM To: Rich Hilliard Cc: [email protected]; >>> [email protected] Subject: Re: [GNU/consensus] [RFC][SH] User >>> Data Manifesto >>> >>> O.K. >>> >>> Let's try to do it by email. I hope it's O.K. if we use this >>> mailinglist :-) >>> >>> I will take the current text and merge all the discussed >>> improvements in and send it to the list as first draft. Then we >>> can iterate until we have something that works for everybody. >>> >>> I will send something probably tomorrow. >>> >>> I hope thats a good approach. >>> >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> On 15.01.2013, at 16:34, "Rich Hilliard" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Email is fine with me; who has the current draft version? >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ Sent: Sunday, January >>>> 13, 2013 5:42 PM To: Frank Karlitschek Cc: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [GNU/consensus] [RFC][SH] User Data Manifesto >>>> >>>> I'd rather participate the way I have done thus far: by email. >>>> >>>> -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 >>>> Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: >>>> No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or >>>> an ordinary phone call >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQ/T/qAAoJEBEET9GfxSfMNJ8H/26scjfyRokSOrTxUHwNlV0+ > RxNeHaXDB6BEHnfz/8uLfzDjIDAqR7hICZpjiVIvGotWCszdI3ssCadxFLCAIqsK > ZESW7S6QoAbVCsFxQHwDBkvx4SpMWJ2En/RuKYYGs+/AnJHa/bvCt6t8j8kAvqjY > I2tYuq3Sz0yoBPFPuBDtRHlg21g6CQjLLmoKgwTBnHx1xt+I17N14A87uAhGOwts > VSfj9AQP3kavWNbuHlEiG8vx/PGUq2kj4LMV5gl/4B08kgZ3u+UUFtjWHB0PET+V > AKIAHwiuwANlqdL6hjrwsKeAwHZUzaWvIRua7rGOOSxjPCP2zR1YXeZ4nx0CedE= > =2sUe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
