Hi Kat,
        Yes, I thought you meant something like you show in your photo.  When 
you mentioned Jeff's photo I did wonder, as it is what I call a Foreshortened 
Hold in my video and brings you closer together rather than further apart.

        I picked up the Foreshortened Hold from the cover of Zesty Contras and 
love it.  I was surprised when I analysed the 600 dancers at a contra dance at 
The Flurry and realised that nobody else was using it!

        We tried your Modified Ballroom Hold Swing and didn't feel that it 
really worked.  With my right arm underneath there didn't seem to be enough 
connection to have a really good swing unless Karen gripped my arm.  I felt 
that my hand might slide down.  With my right arm on top Karen felt that it was 
pulling on her shoulder even though I wasn't gripping - it was just awkward. 
So, sorry, but I won't be using that one.

        Re all the references to sore arms/hands/wrists/etc.  The biggest 
problem is that people are told to "give weight". I don't want your weight! 
People misunderstand and lean back or sideways.  If people control their own 
weight then all the connection has to do is counter centrifugal force and that 
it not a lot inless you spin really fast.

        I always start a Swing lesson by getting the dancers to Buzz on the 
spot BY THEMSELVES.  Then when they connect they keep their own balance and 
weight.

        I have had major operations on both my shoulders (too much Repetitive 
Strain Injury from another style of dance that is taught badly, and then lots 
of Aerials: https://youtu.be/CJnL_Y63AnY?si=RqKHSw5MQmhiuIFT - maybe I 
shouldn't have started doing those in my fifties!).  Anyway, I can't afford to 
let people damage my shoulders.  With a good partner I can Swing at high speeds 
with no problem.  Whenever someone leans back or sideways I just slow the Swing 
down and lessen my connection so that they have to take their own weight or 
fall over.

        Anyway, if you can get everyone to keep their own weight you will find 
it is much less strain on your arm/hand/wrist.

        The standard Quebecois Swing has the feet interleaved.  They seem to do 
it without any problem.  It is just a different feel and takes some getting 
used to.

        Someone mentioned the challenges with being too close in a Ceilidh 
Swing (http://contrafusion.co.uk/SwingWorkshop.html#Ceilidh ) - you could 
always try the Forearm Swing instead 
(http://contrafusion.co.uk/SwingWorkshop.html#Linked ) - same principle, but 
further apart so no bodily contact.

            Happy dancing,
                   John         
                        
John Sweeney, Dancer, England   j...@modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 
574
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent       


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