@Perry, have we had problems with unsavory characters accessing our list as-is? Assuming not, let's not complicate this discussion with less relevant concerns! 🙂
On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 10:25 AM Perry Shafran via Contra Callers < [email protected]> wrote: > My personal view is that I personally don't care one way or the other - > but there seems to be enough concern by others to push the list to being > private. I know that there are many benefits to it being public, but > "public" means that all sorts of unsavory characters can access and do > whatever with it, and that's enough for me to keep it private. There's no > financial cost whatsoever to membership, so anyone who wants the info > should be approved before they get access. > > I'm sure there are benefits to having a public list, but I think those > benefits are maintained if you make it private and have people join the > group. > > Perry Shafran > > On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:12:01 AM EDT, Maia McCormick via Contra > Callers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just my two cents, not an opinion that's necessarily strong enough to sway > us one way or the other but figured I'd share: > > I really don’t feel excited about feeding the giant capitalist dystopia > plagiarism machine. I don't see "improving the capability of LLMS" as an > obvious good. I think that LLMs are good for a ton of things, but the > current hype is overblown and dangerous and I'm just hoping the current > bubble pops before it does more damage. > > I agree that if you exist on the Internet these days, it's pretty hard to > avoid having your content fed to LLMs; and I think the benefit of having > the listserv be public to nonmembers may very well outweigh the costs of > feeding the giant capitalist dystopia plagiarism machine. However, I will > be pretty grumpy if we decide that feeding the plagiarism machine is the > express reason WHY we are leaving the listserv public. > -- > Maia McCormick (she/her) > 917.279.8194 > > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 5:22 AM Mo Waddington via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Some of us are UK based, so members of EFDSS not CDSS > > > On 05/08/2025 22:29, Sivier, Jonathan E via Contra Callers wrote: > > There are 2 different elements of a group that can be made private. There > is the archive of past messages and then there is the group itself. I > would suggest that even if the archives are made private, so that only > group members can access them, that the groups should still be listed in > the Groups.io directory. That would mean that people looking for dance > related groups could find them and apply to join. Of course, if the > intention is that only CDSS members can join the groups then I suppose they > shouldn't be listed in the directory and links to the groups could be > available in CDSS Commons where CDSS members can log in and then apply to > join one or more lists. > > Jonathan > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Sivier, Jonathan E <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:42 PM > *To:* [email protected] > <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Re: List archives > > > If you are a member of the group, and logged in, the numbers under the > months are links to the archive. > > Jonathan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Keith Elmo Eldridge via Contra Callers > <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:35 PM > *To:* 'barbara153' <[email protected]> <[email protected]>; 'Michael > Fuerst via Contra Callers' <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Callers] Re: List archives > > Barbara wrote: > > How would I access these lists if you change to private? > > I moved a number of genealogical Mailing Lists from RootsWeb to Groups.io > in 2020. The archives for them are not private and they at listed by month > at the bottom of the page for each Group. E.g. for my Essex-UK Group go > to: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Essex-UK__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6jEA1a6Er2YCQnai2kNjSMwFB65l8lSysasHxZnxWAwmAwH2cSfWqNeEG4wSDNCwz82fqN8Cg8LZa6z_yfaMrrI9N15Iu$ > When the archives for a Group are private the message per month are shown, > but there are no links, just a number. E.g. > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Podger__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6jEA1a6Er2YCQnai2kNjSMwFB65l8lSysasHxZnxWAwmAwH2cSfWqNeEG4wSDNCwz82fqN8Cg8LZa6z_yfaMrrI3g-yj8$ > > Cheers > Elmo > -- > --Keith Elmo Eldridge > [email protected] > --Sheffield, England > --I am therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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