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Brook Humphrey wrote: | you are very sadly mistaken here. The majority or regular windows converts | could care less about about emacs. Much less would they be able to figure out | how to use the thing properly. AS for mc every sysadmin I show it to uses | it. It is way more useful in the real world than emacs. Especially for system | recovery. It is kind of like an all in one tool for when things go bad. I | even use it allot under normal conditions to install rpm's. Especially when | the system is hosed and there is not other way to install them. Emacs will | not do that for me.
Hi,
I was not going to contribute to this flamewar, but why everybody expects that Linux is used just by Windows converts ? "Windows users expect this", "Windows users are used to that", blah. Whenever somebody wants to push his personal agenda, this is the argument - "Windows does it like this or that !" I am not saying that it is not important but hey, I am using Linux, because it is more Unix than Windows !
Brook, you may think that nobody from Windows converts ever uses Emacs, that's perhaps true. By the same logic, how many of them will touch Vi or any of it's clones ? The same for MC - I used Norton Commander and it's clones (Volkov Commander, Dos Navigator, good old times) in the past and I use MC as well, but users which started their PC experience with Windows have no idea what it is and how to use it (FYI, Win95 is 8 years old already, that is huge amount of time in IT and not everybody is an old fart as me and you).
On the other hand, packages like Emacs/XEmacs are essential for old-time Unix users, because that is what they used on Suns and SGI machines they are migrating from (not everybody switches only from Windows to Linux). That you do not use it does not mean that nobody uses it.
Personally, I would prefer, that the kernel source was included and some server packages left out in the main tree or in contribs (the people going to need them are more likely to find them than a semi-newbie trying to compile an Nvidia driver), but the line had to be drawn somewhere. Whining like this will not help :-(
Jan
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