Yoann Vandoorselaere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> > Experienced users most of the time bring their own config files and so on.
> > They are likely to tweak the system and they like it. They most of the
> > time use their own menus with 4 entries, or only command line..
>
> Ok...
>
> /me take a deep breath.
>
> I urge you to stop being an integrist :
> You can't categorise people like you do...
Why? -- and why treating me of integrist?
Life is categorising people -- the problem is not to categorise, the
problem is to make abusive conclusions with your categories.
We know that some categories of people act mostly in one way. That does
not mean that some of them don't follow the masses! But we know things,
such as:
- an experienced user knows basics of vi and emacs
- a newbie is bored when he has to manually start kppp before starting his
email client
You can't disagree with that simple statements!
If we don't categorise things we can't move towards.
I know you don't like it, but let's face it Yoann: Linux-Mandrake is
mostly bought by newbies/ unexperienced users. We have to study what they
would like to have and react to that.
And that does *not* mean that the distribution is no more useable for
experienced users! Let's stop that debate which is wrong.
The point is that we have to adapt to the masses.
[...]
> > Okay, that's your position, let's not start an endless discussion about
> > this, we already know both our positions, it's no use trolling all over
> > :-).
>
> That's not trolling.
> That's what free software is all about.
No, free software is not "all about" endless discussions.
We have to discuss, that's a very agreed point everywhere including inside
MandrakeSoft, and in the cooker mailing list.
> I want to have the choise and i want to give the choise to the user
> for him to be happy.
Yes, we all want. Mainly our position is that it's too much work and not
the way we want to move too. The present position of MandrakeSoft on the
menu problem is, if I guess right, to try to provide a tool so that the
users will have their menus filles with all the applications he has
installed.
You know that keeping the original Helix menus is not good because we will
lack all KDE and wm-independant applications. Ok, maybe you don't care,
but just consider our goal: to provide in the menus all the applications.
Ok, we all agree that the "look" of the Helix menus is much cleaner and
cute than the original Mandrake Gnome in the 7.1
But the way to go is not to revert to original Helix menus because we
would lack our goal which is to have cross-wm menus.
Your point, to leave the user the choice betweem mandrake menu and helix
menu, is very valid. The only problem is that here at MandrakeSoft you are
the guy who cares the more about this problem; the other ones don't want
to do it.
I know that you already have many things to do, but the way to go if you
want your point to become reality, is to study concretly the problem,
write down what would be necessary to do, patch the menu system to be able
to revert to the original menus, and show us all a prototype for that.
(I did not want that it becomes an endless discussion, but apparently..)
--
Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
