What follows is a dissapointing conversation I had with a friend who
purchased 7.2 at Wal-Mart today. Yes 7.2, yes today not next week.
I know it's long, but well worth a read if you are considering buying it
rather than downloading. And of course the moral's behind putting non stable
on shelves at wal-mart, I mean even MS doesn't blatenly put RC product on
shelves, they at least claim it's finished.
Pay extra attention to the VERSION differences and packages such as KDE2 or
should I say 1.99. There were ton's of bugs in the 1.99 code, stupid stuff
with desktop icons and such, that will confuse the hell out of average
windows users, and now you just put it in 2500+ stores. So everyone all over
America thinks Mandrake puts out unfinished wares.
This is an licq conversation from history.
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 18:24:36 2000 [D---]
Matt just told me he unpacked Mandrake 7.2 and put it on the shelf at
Wal-Mart for $25 - they next day aired a shipment to all the Wal-Marts ;)
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 18:25:02 2000 [D---]
no shit?
hmmmmm....maybe I'll give Mandrake a little extra support and go buy a copy
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 18:25:48 2000 [D---]
I am torn myself- on one hand I want to support them on the other hand I want
to allow other people the opportunity to get their hand on it and try it.
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 18:27:12 2000 [D---]
I made iso's by the way ;)
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 18:57:05 2000 [D---]
yeah I got the nmo-devel stuff
I just bought a copy of Mandrake too
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 19:10:20 2000 [----]
hehe, I know why you are down then eh?! hehe I'm gonna go check it out.
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 19:49:23 2000 [----]
I'd be interested in checking those CD's you have against some of the shit I
know changed after the 7.2 dirs showed up. I bet I have newer versions of
Mandrake update, grpmi, some kde shit, and linuxconf.
I just cant imagine they could make 4 box sets for every wal-mart in 1 day
and get them shipped out. That's about 10000 CD's in a day.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 22:47:08 2000 [D---]
don't bother with that Wal-Mart version of Mandrake...it sucks ass...the
fucking install program won't let you do anything other than sit back and
watch it fuck everything up
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:05:27 2000 [D---]
even if you type expert?
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:05:44 2000 [D---]
yup
I'm slightly pissed right now
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:05:52 2000 [D---]
and quite disappointed
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:10:28 2000 [D---]
the retail package has a few positives but they are far outweighed by the
negatives
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:10:56 2000 [D---]
damn - it's too bad it's at all different.
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:11:13 2000 [D---]
I mean as far as the install procedure goes anyhow.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:11:25 2000 [D---]
yeah it is...I'm wondering if it isn't a package aimed at a newbie though
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:12:03 2000 [D---]
I'm sure it is - but damn - what's up with expert install?
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:13:20 2000 [D---]
did it not let you manage which packages were installed?
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:13:26 2000 [D---]
I have no idea
it's nice having a star office rpm and a JRE rpm but still...I think it
grubbed me and gentoo isn't included
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:13:59 2000 [D---]
I had three choices: basic, recommended and custom
custom was about as custom as choosing paper or plastic
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:15:59 2000 [D---]
That's dissapointing - almost like they wouldn't want an expert to buy their
shit, but to download it. and if that's the case what about those of us (like
yourself) that don't have a t1 at your house?
That is really disappointing. :(
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:17:00 2000 [D---]
yeah it is
my thoughts exactly...granted they have other packages available but what if
the buyer can't afford to pay more?
I'm running a hodge podge of RC1 and the final release now
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:19:03 2000 [D---]
hrm - it is kind of dissapointing that they don't make available the same
version for everyone but I suppose this is a way they get around supporting
their product. They only support the one that's payed for and theirs only 3
ways to install it. Given the average IQ of most windows users who would buy
it from Wal-Mart I suppose I could sympathize with them.
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:20:37 2000 [D---]
but then - they should just put a disclaimer in the expert mode that warns
that they will not be able to recieve support if expert mode install is
chosen as (experts shouldn't need support).
They should reserve expert for experts and give us the full blow package like
the downloaded version under expert in that case.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:21:14 2000 [D---]
exactly
have you made isos of the final release yet?
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:21:33 2000 [D---]
yeah I have.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:21:55 2000 [D---]
good...I'll have to copy 'em...hehe
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:22:45 2000 [D---]
no fucking javascript in konqueror either...hehe
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:22:58 2000 [D---]
yeah - no problem. If you'd like you can stop by tomorrow here and pick them
up - I'll just be watching kids all day till 3:30.
That way you don't have to have a limping system all weekend
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:23:21 2000 [D--E]
I might just do that...probably be later in the evening though
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:23:38 2000 [D--E]
you're shitting me - I really dunno what the heck I did to make mine work.
can you get nmo's page with it?
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:23:51 2000 [D--E]
can't get anything
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:24:20 2000 [D--E]
rpm -q kaffe
see if you have it installed.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:24:37 2000 [D--E]
it's in there
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:26:17 2000 [D--E]
I was going to go buy it myself, I would have been pissed to get less than
what I payed for when not paying for it would give me more. In my eyes
anyway, packages don't mean shit to me, I can run ./configure ; make all
install just fine ;) But losing the power of choice, shit - choice is what
linux is all about.
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:26:51 2000 [D--E]
what version of kdebase?
rpm -q kdebase
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:26:52 2000 [D--E]
yeah...that's what torqued me off...the install manual is nice and the two
extra cds are nice but that's beside the point
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:27:09 2000 [D--E]
kdebase-1.99-17.mdk
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:27:37 2000 [D--E]
oh man that's entirely disappointing too -
mine has
kdebase-2.0-7mdk
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:27:50 2000 [D--E]
I might have the RC1 version of that
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:28:09 2000 [D--E]
ah - right. did you do an upgrade then or install?
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:28:26 2000 [D--E]
upgrade
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:28:53 2000 [D--E]
and that's the version with the final release
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:29:05 2000 [D--E]
ok now I'm really pissed off
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:29:24 2000 [D--E]
doh - ya know, that's what it is. When you do upgrade you don't get all the
choices you do from install, upgrade pretty much just does an rpm -F *.rpm so
it updates what you already have installed on your system and doesn't do much
for installing new.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:29:59 2000 [D--E]
well...I did a full install the first time and I got fucked the same way
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:30:25 2000 [D--E]
you have kdebase-2.0-xxx with the Mandrake Isos you made?
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:30:30 2000 [D--E]
you should pop the CD in and see what version it says kdebase is, it may just
be that it didn't update yours for some reason.
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:30:46 2000 [D--E]
yeah.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:31:15 2000 [D--E]
something is fucked up then...I have the same version of kdebase on both the
RC1 cd and the "release" I bought today
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:33:05 2000 [D--E]
no way - they released a release candidate for sale. Next thing you know
they'll release a service pack for it!
damn. Not real impressed at all.
/me thinks about debian. But will give mandrake time to explain before
jumping.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:33:23 2000 [D--E]
same here
this is ridiculous
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:33:44 2000 [D--E]
go to a console and see what it says for version.
Also cat the VERSION file on the / dir of the first cd.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:34:37 2000 [D--E]
ok
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:34:48 2000 [D--E]
here's my VERSION from the download tree
Linux-Mandrake Odyssey-i586 20001027 15:20
my version listed in the /etc/issue is 7.2
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:36:11 2000 [D--E]
Linux-Mandrake Complete (Desktop) Odyssey-i586 20001011 16:22
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:38:55 2000 [D--E]
wow - there were changes made right up to the day before yesterday on frozen
rpm's too. That's sad as hell to release before release.
I wonder if it isn't something macmillian did though because the big G at
Mandrake said mandrake would release on the 27 and hit stores in 15 days,
that's why I as so astonished it was here today.
The (Desktop) version must mean (crummy - no control install)
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:41:47 2000 [D--E]
probably...oh well
URL to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:54:03 2000 [D--E]
Url: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-20-003-20-NW-MD
Description:
Ok, it wasn't who I thought it was that said it but anyway, they say release
today! in stores 15 days from now - so why are they releasing RC code to
consumers, damn will they look bad for this.
Giving people who pay $$$ unifinished stuff while those who downloaded for
nothing get the full (up to date) package.
Message from Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:56:09 2000 [D--E]
I'm going to write them a letter about this
Message to Pizon
Sat Oct 28 23:57:04 2000 [D--E]
I can put a clip of our conversation on the list too. This is very
disappointing.
Message from Pizon
Sun Oct 29 00:00:08 2000 [D--E]
go for it...I think you should
--
Movie: The Sixth Sense
"I see dumb people... they're everywhere.
They walk around like everyone else.
They don't even know that they're dumb."
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