--- Owen Savill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> This is probably slightly off topic for this
> particular thread which is
> addressing PCMCIA LAN card issues, but please don't
> forget that the
> various experienced laptop problems do not just
> relate to LAN cards,nor
> are they consistent across laptops ! I can insert
> and remove my two
> PCMCIA LAN cards all day
so can I, I only run across this problem after a
suspend/resume. Power management is a pretty important
thing for a laptop though.... most defaults in the
bios has the system suspend when the system has not
been used for a while, so losing all of your work
because you had to make a pit stop is not a way to
create happy users. :-{
, but touching the modem
> results, not in a
> reboot, but a complete system lockup. The same
I can also verify this. I have not researched it since
I do my networking over a lan most of the time. This
does seem to be a kernel related issue at first glance
though...I got a kernel oops. I think I even took a
picture of it and relayed some of the info back to
this mailing list.
> applies to removing or
> inserting the power cable and trying to resume from
> either Suspend to
> RAM or Suspend to Disk.
I believe that this problem has been resolved with the
latest kernel (thanks to the fine work of Juan
Quintela.) You simply add append=noapic to the kernel
in lilo.conf (search the archives for a more in depth
description and instructions). I also believe that
Juan may be trying to set it up so that during initial
install it will recognize certain laptops
automatically and apply the noapic to those in
question. I have sent him some id info on my Dell
Inspiron 8000, if this resolution also works for you
and you have a different laptop, I highly encourage
you to also send him the info.... again check the
archives for more info.
> I think there are more
> fundamental problems
> surrounding the later kernels and laptops in
> general. Getting it to work
> for one model by modifying pci.agent will surely
> leave the rest of the
> laptop users exactly where they are now ?
Not necessarily, if it is a pci.agent issue, I suspect
that a little clean-up of the code should help quite a
few people. Whatever is causing this crash can not be
beneficial to keep in there. Also, Dell is a major
player, so there are many benefits to getting these
basic things to work properly out of the box. Mandrake
is trying to cater to average users, I know that I
could not install mandrake on our office laptops if
something as basic as suspending can cause the system
to reboot.
> On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 01:06, SI Reasoning wrote:
> >
> > pci.agent might be the problem. I disabled network
> at
> > boot, I disabled pcmcia and network starting or
> > resuming within
> /etc/sysconfig/apm-scripts/resume.d, I
> > started with the pcmcia lan card not being
> inserted.
> >
> > I inserted the card and while on console F12 and
> > watched the messages. Since networking was not
> enabled
> > at the time eth0 was not brought up. However it
> still
> > crashed and rebooted upon suspend/resume.
> >
> > I have just about eliminated everything I could...
> so
> > it may be down to something in pci.agent. The only
> > thing I have been able to do so far to keep it
> from
> > not crashing is to disable pci.agent.... but that
> also
> > prevents it from being recognized, so I don't know
> how
> > much help that is.
> >
> > hotplug-2002_01_14-3mdk
> > initscripts-6.40.2-34mdk
> > (guessing the below might have relevance...)
> > libnetpbm9-9.20-2mdk
> > net-tools-1.60-2mdk
> >
> > I feel we are fairly close to resolving this
> > problem... if anyone has some ideas on how I can
> > research this better I am open.
> >
> > There is a difference that might be of some
> help....
> > If I have inserted the pcmcia lan card before
> suspend,
> > then the system locks up and reboots shortly after
> > XFree comes back up. However, if the pcmcia lan
> card
> > is inserted after a successful suspend/resume then
> > there is about a 1-2 minute delay between resume
> and
> > the crash and reboot. By this time all processes
> > associated with pci.agent, net.agent and resume.d
> have
> > been run and there is an extended quite time (on
> the
> > logs) before the crash and reboot.
> > Hopefully this helps some.
> >
> > --- SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have reported that when pcmcia is enabled (at
> any
> > > time) if the system is suspended/resumed (or has
> > > been
> > > suspended/resumed at any time) then the computer
> > > will
> > > crash and reboot itself.
> > >
> > > I have narrowed it down a bit. I have linked it
> to
> > > either the network card, or more likely
> networking
> > > in
> > > general. I have discovered that if I do not load
> my
> > > pcmcia lan card (I tried 2 different brands),
> then I
> > > do not run into the instability problem. I even
> had
> > > a
> > > modem in as a test (but did not run networking
> > > through
> > > it.)
> > >
> > > However, even long after I had
> suspended/resumed, if
> > > I
> > > pop the lan card in, after about a minute the
> system
> > > will crash and reboot itself. During this time I
> > > watched the log on console F12. net.agent does
> its
> > > thing successfully and the network is brought
> up.
> > > Then
> > > I wait, and sure enough after a minute or two
> the
> > > computer crashes and reboots. There were no log
> > > messages that happened on Console F12 after
> > > net.agent.
> > > The crash happened about a minute after the last
> log
> > > message.
> > >
> > > Is there some kind of trace I can run so that I
> can
> > > watch what is happening right before I get to
> the
> > > point where it crashes?
> > >
> > > =====
> > > SI Reasoning
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > A requirement of creativity is that it
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> > > to change. Creativity keeps
> > > the creator alive.
> > >
> > > -FRANK HERBERT, unpublished notes
> > >
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