On February 27, 2003 11:28 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: <"random" snips; interspersed responses> > > Reinout van Schouwen wrote: > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: > > >>> a) Edit /etc/hosts > > >>> b) Give up on proftpd / gnome and use something else. > > >> > > >>c) Fix your DNS.
Good idea for the development version and the people that are putting this new release together; but a bit too much for a lot of end users that just expect things to work. Or did I misunderstand that the call was for people to actually test the Release Candidates (and betas) under every day conditions? > > No, on here machine, zeroconf should work (I am sure I wrote that > > somewhere in this mail) if she has a network card in it. If there is > > *no* network interface anywhere on the machine, then it *may* be > > necessary to add an entry to /etc/hosts. Probably. The real world result; many that were willing to test the betas and the RCs have screamed loud and often about "No internet connection!". In my case I had a 'net connection but no DNS servers to resolve names. I managed to get it working by reading (lurking) here but how many will just say [EMAIL PROTECTED] it and go elsewhere for an OS if the solution is "too complex?" > > Hal la freeking luya the man had an epiphany. Yes, there are millions > of computers in use around the world that don't have ethernet cards. Or no modem but a single broadband connection. SSDD (same s... etc.); both situations are nothing like a corporate environment. How about people not "connected" at all. I know a few. In this particular instance my box is the only connected device I own with any interactive interface more complex than a remote control or a dial pad and handset. I have no router, no hub or switch; I have no home network and doubt I ever will since I'll never need any of that. Just an old PIII 500 MHz machine connected to a cable modem with *one* network interface card using the tulip driver that initially wouldn't connect to the ISP's name servers after beta1 was installed. Which killed the install of 9.0 I had been using because of filesystem incompatibilities. I just want to be able to buy install and use Mandrake, without having to go back to school to learn how to configure the damned internet connection. Is that too much to ask? I finally have a working connection, but it still refuses to recognize that there is no LAN, no sysadmin in the wings to rescue and chastise the "luser" with an attitude of condescending smug superiority. The latest iteration of Shorewall has decided to get in the way again as well. <sigh> > > I was *only* answering James's problem with a network with hundreds on > > unix servers. And in that case, someone is not doing their job right if > > DNS does not work right (there will be many other problems too). > > I'm not having a problem.. I am stating the Zero-Conf doesn't buy me > much but then neither does k-mail... End users don't give a rosy rodent's rump for 'local host name,' or dhcpcd vs dhclient or zeroconf or whatever the hell. They just want to install, boot, surf, read e-mail, and play. If this is supposed to be a desktop OS it would seem that the tools and configurations should be as automatic as it's possible to make them. Idiot simple; like me. I'm very glad there are people such as yourselves "busting their humps" to make things "work out o' the box;" but there are far too many times that I read "This is _not a support list_; fix it yourself, submit a patch, 'worthless, learn to write a bug report' and *go away*" messages. The thinly veiled (or blatantly open in many cases) contempt for the lowly end user is still rampant almost everywhere in the IT industry, including the "Open Source World," and it's that kind of shit that kills companies. Award winning skills and work are mostly cancelled by crap attitudes. > > >>>box doesn't work. The expected result isn't achieved. The user is > > >>>picked off. Sorry for the rant. I'll crawl back in my hole. Note > > >>> this > > > > > > I agree with James. > > > > What, that you know it is broken, but don't care to help fix it the > > *right* way? > > > > I thought people on this list try and help fix things so they work > > better for everyone, rather than just telling each other what hacks they > > had to do to get it working (which is what I expect on the newbie list). More of the endless contempt for anyone unwilling to; or incapable of, development/coding/programming. > > Regards, > > Buchan > > How can you fix things if you don't know what it takes to fix it... this > one confuses me. I think I've ranted more than enough for a luser that can't help fix anything. Going away without being told. Regards; -- Charlie Mahan Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org cooker (current 2002-02-27); kernel-2.4.21pre4-10mdk
