Hi Elwyn It is always possible that Liverpool played a part but I am working on the memory past down by my great grand father Wm McCoy who makes no mention of Liverpool. He remembered the leaving of Belfast and the terrible passage they had. Locked in a hold as a steerage passenger with terrible sickness aboard the ship. He made no mention to my grand father of any stops other then the landing at Quebec. The church records show their Pastor David Evans who I believed traveled with them leaving his post in 1838 the same year my people say they left. Rev Evans church log shows him recording births and deaths in mid August of 1838 at St. Theresa Quebec where they hoped to homestead but were forced to leave do to political unrest. Taking into account the ice burg season and they did not travel south and come up through he USA that gives a very small window they could have come. I think the most likely time of arrived would be May to mid July. 1838 was by all accounts a lower year for Irish immigrants traveling to Canada according to the Quebec Mercury. Given all of that if it is correct lowers the number of possible ships down to three or four with the Dumfrires Shire being a likely candidate as it is clearly mentioned carrying 276 steerage passengers who are sick and taken to St. Ill de Gosse May 27th. The bulk of the shipping from Belfast was by a company called G.H. Parke owner of the ship. Parke co. They had lost 300 steerage passengers a few years earlier on the ship Lady of the Lake when she struck an ice burg off Newfoundland in late April. This is the only record I can find of the company other then the comings and goings in the Shipping news and the shipping list. Genealogy is as always based on slim hopes. My hope is to find some record that might link my family immigration to a ship. All that I have related to you is bits of information related to me by my father but backed up by historical events. I think their is more to find and it is fun looking.
Cheers Ron McCoy On 2018-10-16 4:47 PM, elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList wrote: Possibly worth bearing in mind that whilst there were direct ships from Ireland to Canada and elsewhere throughout the 1800s, there were far more from Liverpool. Liverpool acted as a clearing house for migrants from all over Europe, and had far more departures than from Ireland. Competition for the passengers was fierce with ships agents routinely throwing in cost of the short passage from Ireland to Liverpool free (together with dodgy accommodation in Liverpool), as part of the ticket price. Many more migrants in the 1800s left Ireland via Liverpool than left directly from Ireland. Significant numbers also left via Glasgow. For background, see: http://donegalancestry.com/donegal/emigration/ Elwyn On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:20 PM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Hi Lola I hope you are well and had a good summer. I have searched the Quebec Mercury for information on the shipping news as youi suggested and it was wonderful. I believe my family probably took one of G.H. Parke ships as their line made the most crossings and some such as the Dumfries Shire is listed as having 276 steerage passengers. I have tried to access the Belfast newsletter as you suggested in hopes more information is there but I can only find subscriptions to it? Could you tell me if it is a paid or free site you are using? I also wonder if you know anything about the G.H. Parke co. as there seems to be nothing on line about them? Thank you for your help. cheers Ron McCoy On 2018-08-18 11:07 AM, Iola Whiteside via CoTyroneList wrote: Hi Ron, Iola here. I just google both the Belfast Newsletter archives and the Quebec Mercury. The webpage for the Mercury is in French but the newspaper printed in English. It is east to navigate. Just click on the calendar ikon on the right side, find the year, month etc. I took a quick look and the ships arriving in 1828 are listed. I hope this helps and let me know if I can be of further assistance. Iola. From: Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:44 PM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Ron McCoy<mailto:ron.mc...@outlook.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information Hi All Thanks for the information. The lack of shipping list is a problem and as has been noted travel between Canada and Ireland was not registered. A real problem... I have tried the steam ship lines from Quebec to Montreal with out success but they also ran Bateaux service which is how I assume they must have come. I think the suggestion of the Belfast News, The Quebec Mercury or the JJ Cooke shipping records might give me the names of ships that would have sailed out of Belfast and arrived in Quebec in the time I suspect. That would be a great help. Iola would you have the online site that these can be found on? Thank you all for your help Cheers Ron McCoy On 2018-08-17 9:33 AM, Elizabeth Vervaeke via CoTyroneList wrote: My family came from Brackagh (Errigal Keerogue) through Londonderry on the Sesosthis in 1847 . I was able to find their passenger list from the JJ Cooke Shipping records . There are many ships listed. Perhaps it’s worth a search here ... https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/qu_seth1847.shtml Kind Regards On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:30 AM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Hi all I have tried several times to find sailing records for the year 1828 from Belfast to Canada. This is the year I believe my family and their neighbours left Tyrone and immigrated. However I am told there is no passenger records in the early years of the 1800's. I was wondering if there was a list some where of just ships names that sailed even if there was not passenger lists. I am confident that they sailed after iceberg season and arrived in the Montreal area around the end of August or beginning of September of 1838. If I had a list of ships sailing out of Belfast I might be able to deduce which ship they sailed on? If anyone has experience or an idea where ships names or records that might have sailed from Belfast it would be of great interest to me? 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