WOW Elwyn- I am blown away by your speedy and rich response to my appeal! Your leads will form the basis for my further investigation. Your obvious extensive skill level and your generosity of time and willingness in lending these abilities to a complete stranger is appreciated more than I can adequately express. Thank you so much, Gail
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elwyn Soutter" <elwynsout...@yahoo.co.uk> To: m00...@mymts.net, "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Cc: "Ron McCoy" <ron.mc...@outlook.com>, "Len Swindley" <len_swind...@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:01:15 PM Subject: Re: IRWINS from Clogher, County Tyrone Gail, Statutory marriage registration started in Ireland in 1845 (save for RC marriages). Statutory birth registration started in 1864 (as did RC marriage registration). So the Irwin-McCutcheon marriage and all their Irish born children are well before those start dates. So you won’t find a marriage certificate or birth certificates for the family. You might find the marriage in church records, and the children’s baptisms. However not all churches have records for those years, and not all the surviving records are on-line. Irwin & McCutcheon are both fairly common Scottish names (Irwin tends to be Irving in Scotland) and so if the family were Presbyterian, and lived in Tyrone, then there is every chance they are Ulster-Scots. They likely arrived in the 1600s. There are 3 Presbyterian churches in the Clogher area. Aughentaine has baptisms from 1836 and marriages from 1845; Carntall or Clogher has baptisms 1819-1845 after which there is a gap. Marriages from 1829; Glenhoy has no records before 1852. Clogher Church of Ireland has baptisms from 1763 and marriages from 1777 (with some gaps). Fivemiletown has records from 1804. None of the above records appear to be on-line. However there are copies in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. A personal visit is required to view them though. If you can’t get to PRONI yourself you might want to hire a Belfast based researcher to look them up for you. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church so unless bride & groom happened to attend the same church, you might find the marriage in one church and the baptisms in another. Families often used the same names over again so if, for example, your Christopher had a brother who remained in Ireland, it wouldn’t be too surprising if that brother named a son Christopher too. I searched the 1901 census for Tyrone and found just 1 family using the name. Might be a coincidence or it might be a relation. However Clare More, where they lived, was in the parish of Clogher, so probably worth a punt.: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Cecil/Clare_More/1725692/ I note that the above family was Church of Ireland. (Not all Scots settlers were Presbyterian). So I would include Church of Ireland records in your search too. Elwyn From: "m00...@mymts.net" <m00...@mymts.net> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsout...@yahoo.co.uk>; Ron McCoy <ron.mc...@outlook.com>; Len Swindley <len_swind...@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 17:59 Subject: IRWINS from Clogher, County Tyrone Greetings All, m y request may be a repeat, please bear with me if so. I am a 70-year-old Canadian woman (in Manitoba) who is hoping to establish the family origins of my Great-Great Grandfather, CHRISTOPHER HAMILTON IRWIN, born 1821, who I understand lived in the Clogher area of County Tyrone, emigrating to Canada in around 1850 with his wife Jane (born McCutcheon in 1824) and their older, Ireland-born children: 1) John - March 4, 1841 / 2) Robert - Feb. 12, 1845 / 3) Margaret - __ 1847 / 4) Christopher - Jan. 25, 1849 / 5) Baby Boy - born and died at sea during the crossing. Settling in Port Hope, Ontario, they added the following children: 6) William H. - __ 1853 / 7) Alexander - June 15, 1855 (My Great-Grandfather) / 8) Mary Ann - __ 1857 / 9) Rebecca - __ 1859 / 10) Stewart Jackson - Feb. 28, 1863 / 11) Sarah - Aug. 27, 1864 / 12) Anne Jane - __ 1868 The family were listed as Presbyterians in Canadian census records, which I am told makes it likely that these Irwins were Ulster-Scots. Any tips that I receive will be greatly appreciated. I have taken a DNA test through ancestry.ca, as has my elderly Uncle, Raymond Clare Irwin, who is the last of Alexander's children still with us. With thanks, (Mrs.) Gail (Irwin) Mooney e-mail : m00...@mymts.net (that's two zero's following the first "m")
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