Gail,
For information, the Christopher Irwin inthe 1901 census married Ann Carson on 17.1.1855 in Clogher Church of Ireland.He was 22 and a widower. He lived in Clare More (sometimes spelled Clayermore)and his father was Thomas Irwin, a farmer. (Christopher previously had marriedElizabeth Moore on 17.12.1849, again in Clogher Church of Ireland). In 1829, according to the tithe applotmentrecords, there were 4 Irwin farms in Clare More – John, Samuel, Thomas &William. http://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/clogher.html Looking at Griffiths Valuation of ClareMore in 1860 there’s a Thomas Irwin farming plot 2, an 11 acre farm, andChristopher on plot 4 a 12 acre farm. There were 3 other Irwin holdings in thetownland (William, Samuel & John) so they may be relations. Plots 2 & 4today are on the Tullycorker Rd, a mile or so north of Clogher town. I had alook in the local phone book and there don’t appear to be any Irwins listedthere today, but with no many people not being listed these days, that’s notconclusive. A couple of probate abstracts taken fromthe PRONI wills site: Irwin Christopher of Claremore Augher county Tyrone farmer died27 March 1923 Administration (with Will) Belfast 11 June to Charlotte Irwinwidow. Effects £40. Irwin John of Claremore county Tyrone farmer died 12 February1925 Administration (with Will) Londonderry 31 March to John Irwin farmer.Effects £67 1s. 10d. The wills themselves are not on-line but are available in PRONIin paper format. Elwyn From: "m00...@mymts.net" <m00...@mymts.net> To: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsout...@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>; Ron McCoy <ron.mc...@outlook.com>; Len Swindley <len_swind...@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 19:57 Subject: Re: IRWINS from Clogher, County Tyrone WOW Elwyn- I am blown away by your speedy and rich response to my appeal! Your leads will form the basis for my further investigation. Your obvious extensive skill level and your generosity of time and willingness in lending these abilities to a complete stranger is appreciated more than I can adequately express.Thank you so much,Gail From: "Elwyn Soutter" <elwynsout...@yahoo.co.uk> To: m00...@mymts.net, "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Cc: "Ron McCoy" <ron.mc...@outlook.com>, "Len Swindley" <len_swind...@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:01:15 PM Subject: Re: IRWINS from Clogher, County Tyrone Gail, Statutory marriage registration started in Irelandin 1845 (save for RC marriages). Statutory birth registration started in 1864(as did RC marriage registration). So the Irwin-McCutcheon marriage and alltheir Irish born children are well before those start dates. So you won’t finda marriage certificate or birth certificates for the family. You might find the marriage in church records,and the children’s baptisms. However not all churches have records for thoseyears, and not all the surviving records are on-line. Irwin & McCutcheon are both fairly commonScottish names (Irwin tends to be Irving in Scotland) and so if the family werePresbyterian, and lived in Tyrone, then there is every chance they areUlster-Scots. They likely arrived in the 1600s. There are 3 Presbyterian churches in theClogher area. Aughentaine has baptisms from 1836 and marriages from 1845;Carntall or Clogher has baptisms 1819-1845 after which there is a gap. Marriagesfrom 1829; Glenhoy has no records before 1852. Clogher Church of Ireland hasbaptisms from 1763 and marriages from 1777 (with some gaps). Fivemiletown hasrecords from 1804. None of the above records appear to beon-line. However there are copies in PRONI (the public record office) inBelfast. A personal visit is required to view them though. If you can’t get toPRONI yourself you might want to hire a Belfast based researcher to look themup for you. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s churchso unless bride & groom happened to attend the same church, you might findthe marriage in one church and the baptisms in another. Families often used the same names overagain so if, for example, your Christopher had a brother who remained inIreland, it wouldn’t be too surprising if that brother named a son Christophertoo. I searched the 1901 census for Tyrone and found just 1 family using thename. Might be a coincidence or it might be a relation. However Clare More,where they lived, was in the parish of Clogher, so probably worth a punt.: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Cecil/Clare_More/1725692/ I note that the above family was Church ofIreland. (Not all Scots settlers were Presbyterian). So I would include Churchof Ireland records in your search too. Elwyn From: "m00...@mymts.net" <m00...@mymts.net> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Elwyn Soutter <elwynsout...@yahoo.co.uk>; Ron McCoy <ron.mc...@outlook.com>; Len Swindley <len_swind...@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018, 17:59 Subject: IRWINS from Clogher, County Tyrone Greetings All, my request may be a repeat, please bear with me if so. I am a 70-year-old Canadian woman (in Manitoba) who is hoping to establish the family origins of my Great-Great Grandfather, CHRISTOPHER HAMILTON IRWIN, born 1821, who I understand lived in the Clogher area of County Tyrone, emigrating to Canada in around 1850 with his wife Jane (born McCutcheon in 1824) and their older, Ireland-born children: 1) John - March 4, 1841 / 2) Robert - Feb. 12, 1845 / 3) Margaret - __ 1847 / 4) Christopher - Jan. 25, 1849 / 5) Baby Boy - born and died at sea during the crossing. Settling in Port Hope, Ontario, they added the following children: 6) William H. - __ 1853 / 7) Alexander - June 15, 1855 (My Great-Grandfather) / 8) Mary Ann - __ 1857 / 9) Rebecca - __ 1859 / 10) Stewart Jackson - Feb. 28, 1863 / 11) Sarah - Aug. 27, 1864 / 12) Anne Jane - __ 1868 The family were listed as Presbyterians in Canadian census records, which I am told makes it likely that these Irwins were Ulster-Scots. Any tips that I receive will be greatly appreciated. I have taken a DNA test through ancestry.ca, as has my elderly Uncle, Raymond Clare Irwin, who is the last of Alexander's children still with us.With thanks,(Mrs.) Gail (Irwin) Mooneye-mail : m00...@mymts.net (that's two zero's following the first "m")
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