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George, this IS NOT accountability, this is at best a reason and at worst an excuse. Accountability is the govt reporting the facts of what it has done and why. Can we expect a GA shut down everytime there is a terrorist attack? Or will it only be used to catch these terrorist? What about next time(there will most certainly be a next time)?? Are you prepared to give up your plane everytime the nation is hunting for criminals or just terrorists?? These may seem like silly questions but so was the thought of shutting down all airplanes a week ago. If we are to learn from history, then we should have learned already it is much harder to get back a freedom that is voluntarily surrendered. Accountability is authorities explaining why, how and when we can expect to be grounded again. Accountability is reassuring us that Freedom was not a casualty Sept 11, 2001. Anthony Timm Alon 5663F -----Original Message----- From: G/F Alon S/N149 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:35 AM To: Anthony Timm Subject: RE: [COUPERS] GA still grounded Anthony, the accountability in this case is simply shutting down an option for the planners of this event to leave the USA. Aggording to General Vetter, who I played golf with yesterday, some of those nests of operations include the USA. The USA is a hot spot for them right now and they would like nothing better than to get out of the country to a safer haven. I realise this is an inconvenience to some and a major financial loss to the people in GA aviation. However the only option that I can see for the time being is to bite the bullet. I saw the Chanook helicopters, loaded with deceased, pass over the golf course headed to the DAFB mortuary yesterday. We ceased play, took off our hats, placed them over our hearts in silent prayer for them until they were out of sight. They paid the ultimate sacrifice. We are still here. I will not complan on anything our government does to find the culperts. George Frebert On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:49:17 -0500, Anthony Timm wrote: > PILOTS: > This is an unprecedented event and needs unprecedented steps. However, > someone should be accountable for this BAN on OUR FREEDOM,(no other group in > the US is being singled out like GA is). I agree to support our government > in this crisis- IN TURN, I deserve an explanation and assurance that my > efforts have been used properly and will NOT be abused by MY government this > time or in the future. > > This ACCOUNTABILITY is what America seems to dismiss all to often. From > lawyers and lawsuits to FBI & ATF on Waco and Ruby Ridge, America needs to > learn the lesson generations were taught in gradeschool about a word called > "responsibility". > > I know many of you want to get back in your Coupes again as I do. When you > get frustrated, turn on the tv and look at the tragedy and death of 5,000 > people. If there are still terrorists in our country, I want those bastards > more than I want to fly this weekend- > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Frebert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [COUPERS] GA still grounded > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > Greg, in our free sociey, we also have the right to disagree AND STILL STAY > UNITED (and friends, I hope). I disagree with those who think this shutdown > of GA is over reacting. It appears the terrorists have tried to get out in > various manners. Taking a GA airplane, wheather it be a Piper or a G-5, > shuts down one option until we can feel secure again, and I support it. Our > governement does not need to put up with another aggrivation at this time. > As for the member who dropped out of AOPA, that is his choice. I personally > feel that we need a combined voice in Washington with a LOT of clout! A lot > of clout in Washington is defined as VOTES! If you go there alone they will > not even alow you to drink water out of the drinking fountain. Sure, there > are times I do not agree entirely with AOPA decisions, but I will not drop > out because we NEED EACH OTHER to survive. The same goes with this site. I > do not agree will everthing on this site, but I will not leave for the same > reason. > Yesterday I played golf with with a retired military general at DAFB. He > said that these terrorists are fragmented and have KNOWN SITES in 35 NATIONS > throughout the world. He gave us a LOT of insite on just how complex this > situation is. It appears what we need is a well organized covert operation > to take them out as we find their nests. These people are willing to die in > a heartbeat when they are in the position to take out innocent people in the > process. However, they tend to be cowards when they are holed up and are > about to be gunned down. > I for one, will support our government during these trying times. The future > of our county's freedom is at stake. The sooner we allow them to go to work > and get the job done, the sooner we will get our freedom back. > George Frebert > > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:24:16 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > At 12:18 PM 9/14/01 +0000, N161LH 3B9 wrote: > > >That's occurred to me, too -- as much as I hate to admit it. We're > > >dealing with flight trained terrorists here. If they couldn't get > access > > >to a large plane, they could have easily been planning to load up a > small > > >plane with explosives and use that as a flying bomb. > > > > Or a Ford Taurus as a rolling bomb, or a man with a backpack (Israel > style) as > > a walking bomb. Let us, then, ban all cars and pedestrians. > > > > These are smart, determined people. Remove one means of delivery and they > > will simply find the next. Has anyone noticed that people are being > encouraged > > to bring carloads of relief and rescue supplies to the Javits Center? > > > > Casting general aviation under suspicion makes as much sense as rounding > up all > > Muslims or Arabs. The government has already said that the latter is > > unacceptable > > as an alternative. So why do the former? > > > > This is simply a case of doing something arbitrary because they can, no > matter > > whether it is effective or not. > > > > The ONLY positive for GA is that if there is another attack it will come > by car > > or by pedestrian or by train or by commercial or part 135 aircraft, not > via GA. > > > > >\We've got people posing as pilots out there, folks. I think that those > of > > >us who are really pilots should do everything to cooperate with efforts > to > > >find out who they are. > > > > There are elements in every government who don't like anything they can't > fully > > control. This is their day. There is another kind of vigilance which must > be > > brought into play because, in the end, some of those who talk about > 'freedom' > > aren't really that partial to the whole idea. Don't give them carte > blanche > > to pick you as a convenient target du jour. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Timm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:49 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [COUPERS] GA still grounded ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- PILOTS: This is an unprecedented event and needs unprecedented steps. However, someone should be accountable for this BAN on OUR FREEDOM,(no other group in the US is being singled out like GA is). I agree to support our government in this crisis- IN TURN, I deserve an explanation and assurance that my efforts have been used properly and will NOT be abused by MY government this time or in the future. This ACCOUNTABILITY is what America seems to dismiss all to often. From lawyers and lawsuits to FBI & ATF on Waco and Ruby Ridge, America needs to learn the lesson generations were taught in gradeschool about a word called "responsibility". I know many of you want to get back in your Coupes again as I do. When you get frustrated, turn on the tv and look at the tragedy and death of 5,000 people. If there are still terrorists in our country, I want those bastards more than I want to fly this weekend- -----Original Message----- From: George Frebert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [COUPERS] GA still grounded ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- Greg, in our free sociey, we also have the right to disagree AND STILL STAY UNITED (and friends, I hope). I disagree with those who think this shutdown of GA is over reacting. It appears the terrorists have tried to get out in various manners. Taking a GA airplane, wheather it be a Piper or a G-5, shuts down one option until we can feel secure again, and I support it. Our governement does not need to put up with another aggrivation at this time. As for the member who dropped out of AOPA, that is his choice. I personally feel that we need a combined voice in Washington with a LOT of clout! A lot of clout in Washington is defined as VOTES! If you go there alone they will not even alow you to drink water out of the drinking fountain. Sure, there are times I do not agree entirely with AOPA decisions, but I will not drop out because we NEED EACH OTHER to survive. The same goes with this site. I do not agree will everthing on this site, but I will not leave for the same reason. Yesterday I played golf with with a retired military general at DAFB. He said that these terrorists are fragmented and have KNOWN SITES in 35 NATIONS throughout the world. He gave us a LOT of insite on just how complex this situation is. It appears what we need is a well organized covert operation to take them out as we find their nests. These people are willing to die in a heartbeat when they are in the position to take out innocent people in the process. However, they tend to be cowards when they are holed up and are about to be gunned down. I for one, will support our government during these trying times. The future of our county's freedom is at stake. The sooner we allow them to go to work and get the job done, the sooner we will get our freedom back. George Frebert On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:24:16 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > At 12:18 PM 9/14/01 +0000, N161LH 3B9 wrote: > >That's occurred to me, too -- as much as I hate to admit it. We're > >dealing with flight trained terrorists here. If they couldn't get access > >to a large plane, they could have easily been planning to load up a small > >plane with explosives and use that as a flying bomb. > > Or a Ford Taurus as a rolling bomb, or a man with a backpack (Israel style) as > a walking bomb. Let us, then, ban all cars and pedestrians. > > These are smart, determined people. Remove one means of delivery and they > will simply find the next. Has anyone noticed that people are being encouraged > to bring carloads of relief and rescue supplies to the Javits Center? > > Casting general aviation under suspicion makes as much sense as rounding up all > Muslims or Arabs. The government has already said that the latter is > unacceptable > as an alternative. So why do the former? > > This is simply a case of doing something arbitrary because they can, no matter > whether it is effective or not. > > The ONLY positive for GA is that if there is another attack it will come by car > or by pedestrian or by train or by commercial or part 135 aircraft, not via GA. > > >\We've got people posing as pilots out there, folks. I think that those of > >us who are really pilots should do everything to cooperate with efforts to > >find out who they are. > > There are elements in every government who don't like anything they can't fully > control. This is their day. There is another kind of vigilance which must be > brought into play because, in the end, some of those who talk about 'freedom' > aren't really that partial to the whole idea. Don't give them carte blanche > to pick you as a convenient target du jour. > > Greg > > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ==^================================================================ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiLm.aVzvvT Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
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