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>    Besides Spins are also ACCIDENTS. That was why FAA wanted them in
your
> flight training. Warren

Gentelemen... and Ladies,

The FFA does not want/require spin training anymore, so perpetuating 
the past, lends no credence to now or the future quality of flight.

I hear that Canada is going to follow the lead of the current FAA.

Spins are NOT accidents per se.
Stalls can be the ROOT cause accidents.
If instructors can teach stall recognition adequately, 
the ensuing UNDEVELOPED spin into terrain will not happen.

Too much is read into and ASSUMED from the word SPIN fatality.
Most of the FATALITIES are due to stalls/spins developing
close to the ground, either on take off like the one that just 
happened at my home field or usually turning base to final.
A strong tailwind on base can cause one to overshoot the turn
on to final. At that point, the non avaiator/flying machine
operator/student takes himself out of the gene pool.

No amount of spin training is going to save these slow and low
fatalities. STALL TRAINING will. STALL TRAINING WILL.

I think NOBODY gets killed at 5000 feet going cross country
from lack of spin training. 

Also, there are less and less aircraft being produced that spins are
approved in, so if you crash one of these birds...
you better die or you will live to regret the additional charges.
No twin engine planes I fly or commercial jets are approved for
spins, so who really is at risk because of no spin training?
Realistically, this is non issue. 
So, let's get real.

If you REALLY KNOW stalls and accelerated stalls and KNOW your
safe airspeeds and follow them, there WILL BE NO STALL...
therefore, no spin.

Let's not forget improper CG's, overloaded aircraft and BOOZE
usually factor in somewhere, too.

As Ercoupe fliers, there really is no need to even bring up this
spin training legend/mythology in the first place.

And if we want to talk about BUDGET BIRDS, this sure is the 
fine forum for it.

Bob Urban - 1952 spin trainee and past CFI spin giver/teacher.

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