Dear Franco, > Il giorno 10 gen 2018, alle ore 21:52, Franco Niccolucci > <franco.niccolu...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > Quoting Martin below > > [By Digital Collections] ... we do not mean the servers as a whole, but only > the material signal encoding on the media. > > This statement is an oxymoron. Whatever material thing cannot be digital, not > even “signals”: according to my Oxford Dictionary, digital means "expressed > as a series of the digits 0 and 1". In a collection, whatever it is, you just > get more 0’s and 1’s but no material thing.
For completeness it should also be noted that the Oxford Dictionary goes on to explain that the 0 and 1 digits are: “typically represented by values of a physical quantity such as voltage or magnetic polarization”, which seems, in some way, to refer to some kind of “physicality” still present “in the background” :-) A. > > Thanasis is right as regards deprecating the use of the expression “Digital > Collections”. This term does not mean a material thing also for the authors > of the Oxford Dictionary, besides the many readers he mentions that include > myself. > > I may agree that the “encoding on the media” consists in (perhaps temporary > and reversible) alterations of the media itself, possibly with only two > different states eg black/white, positive/negative, etc, to encode the > content according to a predefined code; and recorded there magnetically, > optically or carved (the Code of Hammurabi kept at the Louvre, unfortunately > not with a binary code); in any case altering (some property of) the media > itself. It could also be Martin Doerr’s voice, analogically recorded on vinyl > on 10/01/2018 from 21:48 to 22:30 while reading the Code of Hammurabi in > Akkadian (with a nice voice but with a terrible German accent, unfortunately) > . > > So, thumbs down for "digital collections”. > > Franco > > > Prof. Franco Niccolucci > Director, VAST-LAB > PIN - U. of Florence > Scientific Coordinator > ARIADNE - PARTHENOS > > Piazza Ciardi 25 > 59100 Prato, Italy > > >> Il giorno 10 gen 2018, alle ore 21:02, Martin Doerr <mar...@ics.forth.gr> ha >> scritto: >> >> Dear Thanasi, >> >> On 1/10/2018 1:30 PM, Athanasios Velios wrote: >>> Shouldn't this: >>> >>> § The Digital Collections of the Munich DigitiZation Center (MDZ) >>> accessible via https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/ at least in January 2018. >>> >>> be instead: >>> >>> § The group of servers (hardware) holding the Digital Collections of the >>> Munich DigitiZation Center (MDZ) accessible via >>> https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/ at least in January 2018. >>> >>> The term "Digital Collections" will not necessarily mean a physical thing >>> for many readers. >> Actually we do not mean the servers as a whole, but only the material signal >> encoding on the media. This interpretation gives correct answers that the >> collection can be destroyed, and is a "holding" in the hands of the >> maintainers, i.e., physically kept, and that it can change like a physical >> thing loosing its previous form. >> The immaterial item would not change, reside on multiple carriers. An update >> would create a new derivative, i.e., another thing, not affecting other >> copies around. >> The material interpretation is problematic if the content is moved around >> servers. >> >> Another interpretation is that of a "volatile dataset" we at FORTH used in >> the PARTHENOS project, which uses the logical condition that there is only >> one representative version of the data object at any point in time, >> regardless carrier. It updates like a material object. This may in general >> create a problem, if the authority identifying the correct representative >> version not clear. I tried to be neutral to this dilemma by using the URL, >> which points to the physical "location", under which the representative >> version will appear, and makes the storage system an internal issue of the >> maintainer. >> >> Consider a "move" of the database to another storage system and a >> simultaneous update. Then, formally, neither the carrier nor the content is >> the same, but it is still the same "digital library". >> >> Note, that if I make a copy of a digital library, I get an immaterial >> object, which will not be representative after the first change to the >> original, without me doing anything. Hence, the digital library does not >> behave like an Information Object in the sense of the CRM. >> >> All the best, >> >> Martin >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Thanasis >>> >>> On 04/01/18 17:39, Martin Doerr wrote: >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Here my proposals: >>>> >>>> >>>> "ISSUE 295 >>>> >>>> Following Martin’s proposal to remove class E84 since it does not satisfy >>>> the requirements proposed on issue 340, the sig proposed the examples of >>>> material carrier of a digital object to be moved to E24 of an E25 digital >>>> feature and possibly to E78 οr put example for E78 of Server holding >>>> Digital Asset Management. >>>> >>>> Finally, the sig asked Martin to make an example. The issue will be >>>> complete with examples. It is decided to be created a new issue for >>>> covering the discussion aboutE84 staying or going" >>>> >>>> *I propose: >>>> >>>> Delete:* >>>> >>>> >>>> E84 Information Carrier >>>> >>>> Subclass of:E22 <#_E22_Man-Made_Object> Man-Made Object >>>> >>>> Scope note:This class comprises all instances of E22 Man-Made Object that >>>> are explicitly designed to act as persistent physical carriers for >>>> instances of E73 Information Object. >>>> >>>> An E84 Information Carrier may or may not contain information, e.g., a >>>> diskette. Note that any E18 Physical Thing may carry information, such as >>>> an E34 Inscription. However, unless it was specifically designed for this >>>> purpose, it is not an Information Carrier. Therefore the property /P128 >>>> carries (is carried by)/ applies to E18 Physical Thing in general. >>>> >>>> Examples: >>>> >>>> §the Rosetta Stone >>>> >>>> §my paperback copy of Crime & Punishment >>>> >>>> §the computer disk at ICS-FORTH that stores the canonical Definition of >>>> the CIDOC CRM >>>> >>>> In First Order Logic: >>>> >>>> E84(x) ⊃E22(x) >>>> >>>> *New examples in:* >>>> >>>> *E78 Curated Holding*** >>>> >>>> Subclass of: E24 <#_E24_Physical_Man-Made_Thing> Physical Man-Made Thing >>>> >>>> Scope note:This class comprises aggregations of instances of E18 Physical >>>> Thing that are assembled and maintained (“curated” and “preserved,” in >>>> museological terminology) by one or more instances of E39 Actor over time >>>> for a specific purpose and audience, and according to a particular >>>> collection development plan.Typical instances of curated holdings are >>>> museum collections, archives, library holdings and digital libraries. A >>>> digital library is regarded as an instance of E18 Physical Thing because >>>> it requires keeping physical carriers of the electronic content. >>>> >>>> Items may be added or removed from an E78 Curated Holding in pursuit of >>>> this plan. This class should not be confused with the E39 Actor >>>> maintaining the E78 Curated Holding often referred to with the name of the >>>> E78 Curated Holding (e.g. “The Wallace Collection decided…”). >>>> >>>> Collective objects in the general sense, like a tomb full of gifts, a >>>> folder with stamps or a set of chessmen, should be documented as instances >>>> of E19 Physical Object, and not as instances of E78 Curated Holding. This >>>> is because they form wholes either because they are physically bound >>>> together or because they are kept together for their functionality. >>>> >>>> Examples: >>>> >>>> §the John Clayton Herbarium >>>> >>>> §the Wallace Collection >>>> >>>> §Mikael Heggelund Foslie’s coralline red algae Herbarium at Museum of >>>> Natural History and Archaeology, Trondheim, Norway >>>> >>>> §The Digital Collections of the Munich DigitiZation Center (MDZ) >>>> accessible via https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/ at least in January >>>> 2018. >>>> >>>> In First Order Logic: >>>> >>>> E78(x) ⊃E24(x) >>>> >>>> *E24 Physical Man-Made **Thing*** >>>> >>>> Subclass of:E18 <#_E18_Physical_Thing> Physical Thing >>>> >>>> E71 <#_E71_Man-Made_Thing>Man-Made Thing >>>> >>>> Superclass of: E22 <#_E22_Man-Made_Object>Man-Made Object >>>> >>>> E25 <#_E25_Man-Made_Feature>Man-Made Feature >>>> >>>> E78 <#_E78_Collection>Collection >>>> >>>> Scope Note:This class comprises all persistent physical items that are >>>> purposely created by human activity. >>>> >>>> This class comprises man-made objects, such as a swords, and man-made >>>> features, such as rock art. No assumptions are made as to the extent of >>>> modification required to justify regarding an object as man-made. For >>>> example, a “cup and ring” carving on bedrock is regarded as instance of >>>> E24 Physical Man-Made Thing. >>>> >>>> Examples: >>>> >>>> §the Forth Railway Bridge (E22) >>>> >>>> §the Channel Tunnel (E25) >>>> >>>> §the Historical Collection of the Museum Benaki in Athens (E78) >>>> >>>> §the Rosetta Stone (E22) >>>> >>>> §my paperback copy of Crime & Punishment (E22) >>>> >>>> §the computer disk at ICS-FORTH that stores the canonical Definition of >>>> the CIDOC CRM (E22) >>>> >>>> §my empty DVD disk (E22) >>>> >>>> In First Order Logic: >>>> >>>> E24(x) ⊃E18(x) >>>> >>>> E24(x) ⊃E71(x) >>>> >>>> Properties: >>>> >>>> P62 <#_P62_depicts_%28is_depicted%20by%29> depicts (is depicted by): E1 >>>> <#_E1_CRM_Entity> CRM Entity >>>> >>>> (P62.1 mode of depiction: E55 <#_E55_Type> Type) >>>> >>>> P65 <#_P65_shows_visual_item%20%28is%20shown%20by%29> shows visual item >>>> (is shown by): E36 <#_E36_Visual_Item> Visual Item >>>> >>>> >>>> *Scope Note extension:** >>>> * >>>> >>>> *E25 Man-Made Feature*** >>>> >>>> Subclass of:E24 <#_E24_Physical_Man-Made_Thing> Physical Man-Made Thing >>>> >>>> E26 <#_E26_Physical_Feature>Physical Feature >>>> >>>> Scope Note:This class comprises physical features that are purposely >>>> created by human activity, such as scratches, artificial caves, artificial >>>> water channels, etc. In particular it includes the information encoding >>>> features on mechanical or digital carriers. >>>> >>>> No assumptions are made as to the extent of modification required to >>>> justify regarding a feature as man-made. For example, rock art or even >>>> “cup and ring” carvings on bedrock a regarded as types of E25 Man-Made >>>> Feature. >>>> >>>> Examples: >>>> >>>> §the Manchester Ship Canal >>>> >>>> §Michael Jackson’s nose following plastic surgery >>>> >>>> §The laser-readable “pits” engraved June 2014 in my CD-R, copying songs of >>>> Edith Piaf’s. >>>> >>>> §The carved letters on the Rosetta Stone >>>> >>>> In First Order Logic: >>>> >>>> E25(x) ⊃E26(x) >>>> >>>> E25(x) ⊃E24(x) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | >>>> Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | >>>> | Email:mar...@ics.forth.gr | >>>> | >>>> Center for Cultural Informatics | >>>> Information Systems Laboratory | >>>> Institute of Computer Science | >>>> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | >>>> | >>>> N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | >>>> GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | >>>> | >>>> Web-site:http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Crm-sig mailing list >>>> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >>>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Crm-sig mailing list >>> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | >> Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | >> | Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr | >> | >> Center for Cultural Informatics | >> Information Systems Laboratory | >> Institute of Computer Science | >> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | >> | >> N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | >> GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | >> | >> Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
