As an alternative we could replace "Standard" with an "Ultimate Java" Edition (including J2EE, WTP, RCP, Modeling) and see what the download numbers are next year.
See I totally agree that are places where you want to specialize. My only problem that we are discussing this among ~ 1000 eclipse committers here and we have around 2 mio downloads. Maybe its also because I do a lot of RCP development and always download the RCP packages for the Eclipse IDE. Recently I decided to do some WTP stuff for myself. And the easiest way for me was to download a WTP Eclipse IDE. So maybe you can say that I could have downloaded some features from the Kepler repo. But I wasnt sure what was necessary so I downloaded a new IDE. (Felt strange, but worked) So after that I thought, maybe I would preferred an IDE that can do "everything java" aka "ultimate"... christian Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Mickael Istria Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2013 16:12 An: [email protected] Betreff: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse? On 07/30/2013 03:57 PM, Igor Fedorenko wrote: Are you suggesting forcing webtools on all java developers? Seriously? I've just had a new look at the Eclipse community survey and since about 45% (~=100% - web dev perventage - RCP percentage - non-Java users percentage) of Java users are doing something else that Web or Plugin development, it seems indeed that a Java package without WTP makes sense. The use cases are people doing some server side stuff and plugins for various non-web applications (Maven, Jenkins, Ant...). So I'm changing my mind and now agree that two distinct "Java" and "Java for Web development" package would still make sense. However I still keep thinking that "Eclipse Standard" doesn't help much. -- Mickael Istria Eclipse developer at JBoss, by Red Hat<http://www.jboss.org/tools> My blog<http://mickaelistria.wordpress.com> - My Tweets<http://twitter.com/mickaelistria> ------------------------------------------------------------- compeople AG Untermainanlage 8 60329 Frankfurt/Main fon: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 0 fax: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 22 web: www.compeople.de<http://www.compeople.de/> Vorstand: J?rgen Wiesmaier Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Christian Glanz Sitz der Gesellschaft: Frankfurt/Main Handelsregister Frankfurt HRB 56759 USt-IdNr. DE207665352 -------------------------------------------------------------
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