I admit that I didnt look much in the Kepler repo if there was a feature for me. My fear was that there is no single feature that includes everything that is in the JavaEE Eclipse IDE. And I didnt really know or took the time to look where I could possibly find it.
If I look at the Kepler repo now in software install (after it took 30 seconds to download the metadata) now its still tricky to know what would get me everything for J2EE. I think my point is that a download of 245 MB where I have some confidence that I am all set is easier than digging through a large repo with many features.... Von: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] Im Auftrag von Pascal Rapicault Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2013 16:57 An: Cross project issues Betreff: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse? Out of curiosity, what were the blocking factors that prevented you to download WTP in your existing install? My thinking is that if someone as immersed as you with the Eclipse ecosystem can't figure this out, then there may be something there as well. On 07/30/2013 04:49 PM, Campo, Christian wrote: The answer is simple. I downloaded 2 IDEs because currently there is NO Ultimate.... Its NOT that I prefer 2 IDE installations But your point about a bloated UI is worthwhile thinking about really. Its in the same direction of Doug's and Martin's comment. About either controlling the UI bloat or being able to switch from J2EE to RCP to WTP in the same IDE without installing something new.... Von: Mickael Istria <mist...@redhat.com<mailto:mist...@redhat.com>> Antworten an: Cross issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Datum: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2013 16:38 An: Cross issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse? On 07/30/2013 04:19 PM, Campo, Christian wrote: Maybe its also because I do a lot of RCP development and always download the RCP packages for the Eclipse IDE. Recently I decided to do some WTP stuff for myself. And the easiest way for me was to download a WTP Eclipse IDE. So maybe you can say that I could have downloaded some features from the Kepler repo. But I wasnt sure what was necessary so I downloaded a new IDE. (Felt strange, but worked) So after that I thought, maybe I would preferred an IDE that can do "everything java" aka "ultimate"... You usage of the IDE seems to show that even if you know it's possible to have everything in the same IDE, you prefered to download a second IDE and have an IDE for RCP and an IDE for Web applications development. Your use-case seems opposed to what you're advocating for, so I'm curious: If you did not find the value of creating a "utilmate IDE" and prefered multiple IDEs, why do you think a "Ultimate" IDE would be better. Here is my story to advocate against a "Ultimate IDE": I used to have much stuff in the same IDE for a few monthes, it contained my work stuff (mainly RCP) and some entertainment stuff (WTP, JBoss Tools and Android Dev Tools). My work tools and entertainment activities are not related at all. One day, I got angry of having too much stuff in that IDE and I spitted it because I used to get bugs coming from Android Tools when doing some RCP work, and WTP was doing some extra validation which was time consuming and because I was upset by many menus that are irrelevant; and the other way round, I got a lot of irrelevant noise and UI elements coming from PDE when doing to Web/Android development. Since them, I'm much happier in both of these activity-centric IDEs. -- Mickael Istria Eclipse developer at JBoss, by Red Hat<http://www.jboss.org/tools> My blog<http://mickaelistria.wordpress.com> - My Tweets<http://twitter.com/mickaelistria> ------------------------------------------------------------- compeople AG Untermainanlage 8 60329 Frankfurt/Main fon: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 0 fax: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 22 web: www.compeople.de<http://www.compeople.de/> Vorstand: Jürgen Wiesmaier Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Christian Glanz Sitz der Gesellschaft: Frankfurt/Main Handelsregister Frankfurt HRB 56759 USt-IdNr. DE207665352 ------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev ------------------------------------------------------------- compeople AG Untermainanlage 8 60329 Frankfurt/Main fon: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 0 fax: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 22 web: www.compeople.de<http://www.compeople.de/> Vorstand: Jürgen Wiesmaier Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Christian Glanz Sitz der Gesellschaft: Frankfurt/Main Handelsregister Frankfurt HRB 56759 USt-IdNr. DE207665352 -------------------------------------------------------------
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