And yet, we find that the Paris attackers did not communicate via encrypted channels for most of their planning. Surprise surprise:
http://bit.ly/1WZFM9H (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151118/08474732854/after-endless-demonization-encryption-police-find-paris-attackers-coordinated-via-unencrypted-sms.shtml) On 11/17/2015 01:39 PM, Givon Zirkind wrote: > imho, the crypto involved is not the issue. not having boots on the > ground, good intel, good spies who can walk and talk like the enemy, is > the real issue. there was no crypto in the false i.d. papers used to > gain entry. there is no crypto in exploiting the humanitarian aid being > given to syrian refugees. these people operate in unconnected cells. > how much communication can there be; once an idea is hatched; a plan > formed and; put into motion--from a few secret meetings. esp. since > they know enough to have to maintain radio silence. > > On 11/17/2015 12:38 PM, Justin F wrote: >>> "This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a >>> few of which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported, >>> unsacrelized, unheroricized, unencrypted)." >> It's actually amazing, if you have a story and documentation and its a >> bombshell to a point that it makes you question the accuracy due to >> your own belief structure (id est FOIA responses are required to be >> truthful, courts are always impartial, etc); the biggest problem is >> actually finding someone whom is willing to look up from their smart >> phone long enough to listen to a non-trivial story. >> >> What an incredibly indifferent society we've become. >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, John Young <j...@pipeline.com> wrote: >>> Wheedling about crypto and Snowden diverts from CIA Director's full >>> speech >>> and broader critique. CIA version omits Q&A. >>> >>> http://csis.org/files/attachments/151116_GSF_OpeningSession.pdf >>> >>> To be sure, commentators must promote their products to flatter their >>> consumers as do spies, officials and >>> armaments (crypto) producers. >>> >>> Officials buy the armaments to gain votes and post-service >>> directorships, >>> word artists blow wind to fan the flames. >>> >>> "This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a >>> few of >>> which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported, unsacrelized, >>> unheroricized, unencrypted). >>> >>> Hard to tell the difference between opportunistic warmongerers or >>> anti-warmongerers, so ying and yang in complicity. >>> >>> At 10:03 AM 11/17/2015, you wrote: >>> >>> 1. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_attacks_b.html >>> 2. >>> https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/ >>> >>> >>> <<As Paris reels from terrorist attacks that have claimed at least 128 >>> lives, fierce blame for the carnage is being directed toward American >>> whistleblower Edward Snowden and the spread of strong encryption >>> catalyzed >>> by his actions. Now the Paris attacks are being used an excuse to demand >>> back doors>> >>> >>> >>> <<how can “officials†and their media stenographers persist in >>> trying to >>> convince people of such a blatant, easily disproven falsehood: >>> namely, that >>> Terrorists learned to hide their communications from Snowden’s >>> revelations? They do it because of how many benefits there are from >>> swindling people to believe this. To begin with, U.S officials are eager >>> here to demonize far more than just Snowden >>> They want to demonize encryption generally as well as any companies that >>> offer it. Indeed, as these media accounts show, they’ve been trying >>> for >>> two decades to equate the use of encryption — anything that keeps >>> them out >>> of people’s private onlinee communications — with aiding and >>> abetting The >>> Terrorists>> >>> >>> <<Above all, there’s the desperation to prevent people from asking >>> how and >>> why ISIS was able to spring up seemingly out of nowhere and be so >>> powerful, >>> able to blow up a Russian passenger plane, a market in Beirut, and the >>> streets of Paris in a single week. That’s the one question Western >>> officials are most desperate not to be asked, so directing people’s >>> ire to >>> Edward Snowden and strong encryption is beneficial in the extreme>> >>> >>> >>> <<There’s the related question of how ISIS has become so well-armed >>> and >>> powerful. There are many causes, but a leading one is the role played >>> by the >>> U.S. and its “allies in the region†(i.e., Gulf tyrannies) in arming >>> them>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> cryptography mailing list >>> cryptography@randombit.net >>> http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> cryptography mailing list >> cryptography@randombit.net >> http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography > > _______________________________________________ > cryptography mailing list > cryptography@randombit.net > http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography _______________________________________________ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
