<<BTW: I couldn't quite make out this value in your styles:
width: 101.5px;
Care to explain?>>
Well, my popups are gone again in IE so you can't see, but that's the value
I arrived at for IE/WIN so that it was the right width and its right edge
lined up with the rollover highlight....
Don't think the clients will be happy (they're architects and very finicky
about things lining up) if I make the width fluid for the popups, unless
there's a way for it to be the width it needs to be but expand if they've
enlarged the text...
Specs for this are IE 5+ and NN6+ so luckily I don't have to worry about NN4
<<Good CSS support is just beginning to spread across browser-land.>> Yep,
so am wondering if I should just wait until everyone (browsers) learns to
play better :-)
One thing that doesn't make sense to me with the NN7 problem is that
absolute divs are supposed to be absolute in relation to its parent, if the
parent has a position other than static, right? So is it a bug in NN7 that
it's ignoring that?
Here's the relevant code:
#menulist {
height: 63px;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
border-top: 1px solid #A30404;
border-bottom: 1px solid #A30404;
float: left;
position:relative;
top: 457px;
width: 908px;
}
#menulist .mainnav {
height: 63px;
visibility: visible;
position: absolute;
float: left;
display: inline;
width: 125px;
z-index:1;
padding: 0px;
margin:0px;
filter:alpha(opacity=80);
-moz-opacity:.80;
opacity:.80;
background-repeat:no-repeat;
}
For which .mainnav is dynamically assigned a left attribute ranging from 0
to whatever depending on which menu item it is.... So the parent is
"positioned" but .mainnav is ignoring that and making left:0 start from the
browser edge instead of menulist container's edge in NN7 only (okay in IE
and Firefox).
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gunlaug Sørtun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:18 PM
To: Angela Trigg
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] I want to scream
Angela Trigg wrote:
> I feel like throwing the towel in and going back to tables---
> seriously-- I can code sites so fast that way because I've been doing
> it for so many years...
> ...I've invested hours and hours and hours into trying to get this to
> work using just CSS.
> http://cmmi.trgsoftware.com
I think you just gave yourself all reasons needed to perfect your CSS-skills
- regardless of bad browsers.
All those "hours invested in CSS-design" isn't much compared to years in
table-based design, so you just have to keep at it - or stop right there.
Some of us have invested years in CSS-design, and are slowly arriving at the
point where we can leave the bugs for the browser-developers to fix.
Tables are self-adjusting by default and will cover up for many mistakes.
That's one reason many table-old-timers prefer tables.
CSS-layouts will also self-adjust by default, but you haven't given yours
much of a chance to adjust anything to anything with fixed dimensions and
font-sizes.
The menu pop-ups are even breaking (overlapping text) in Firefox at
'min-font-size: 14px', and that's because nothing is allowed to expand in a
standard-compliant browser. IE6 saves that part of the layout by its
non-standard "expand everything no matter what" behavior.
So the choice shouldn't be between tables or CSS, but whether you want a
"fixed" layout (that you can't expect to hold), or an "adjustable"
layout that can survive on the web.
How many, and which, old browser-versions you would like to - or have to
- support, is also an important question. Old versions of any browser will
have weaknesses - that's why they keep on developing new versions all the
time. Browsers have had more than 10 years to include support for tables
(although most of them are still quite buggy). Good CSS support is just
beginning to spread across browser-land.
----
BTW: I couldn't quite make out this value in your styles:
width: 101.5px;
Care to explain?
regards
Georg
--
http://www.gunlaug.no
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