Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > >> How does your solution "catch all"? It does not meet goal #3 that I >> stated in my last email, which is to preserve proportions. > > > That's one of your goals - not mine.
I didn't say it was my goal. I said it was *a* goal that may be valid for some projects. > I have no problems with your explanation, but I am more, or rather only, > interested in the user-experience. But this is what I have a problem with, Georg: that you are implying that Al's solution of allowing em widths to create a horizontal scrollbar is a disservice to the user. It sometimes is, but it isn't always, and this is what you are saying. As Al and Nick Fitzsimons have pointed out, providing a horizontal scrollbar can be a *boon* to the user. So please don't say that your solution is a catch-all and doesn't get in the way of the user. Some users, you're right, other users, you're wrong. > I have also used ems for layout. That method has been around for many > years. You will find one of my test-examples linked in to css-d around > 18 months ago. They are nice for designers, but that's all - IMO. How can you say this when both Al and Nick have told you about real users that find them "nice"? Please don't lump all users into one generic group. Accept the fact that some people find the behavior of expanding designs that cause horizontal scrollbars ideal over your method of constraining the design to the browser window width. You don't have to optimize your design for these people -- but don't pretend like they don't exist. Make your design choices knowingly. > They are no good at the user-end without limits, which is why Roger's > solution is better for users - visitors. Some, not all. There are newbies on this list -- let's not spread false or exaggerated information. > Others > don't have to care or like it or anything - and I personally couldn't > care less since I never design for designers. Neither do I. I design for users, and realize that users come in many shapes and sizes with different preferences. Zoe -- Zoe M. Gillenwater Design Services Manager UNC Highway Safety Research Center http://www.hsrc.unc.edu ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
