-Caveat Lector-
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
>> >Oh, so our concept of govm't was derived from the Iroquois
>Confederacy?
>>
>> Again, it's a MATTER OF RECORD.
>
>Whatever.... If you want to believe that our system of government was
>derived from the Iroquois, go ahead...
It's not a matter of belief...as I (and others) have said, it's a MATTER
OF RECORD...many of the drafters of the Constitution acknowledge a debt
to the Iroquois' for giving them something on which base the US
Constitution, and indeed invited representatives of the Iroquois to
attend the Constitutional Convention...
I suggest you go to your local library and get a few history books to
read...
>> I never said any such thing...I said the INDIANS were farmers and
>> fishers...
>
>No... You were speaking of the Europeans...
No I wasn't...you sarcastically asked whether the Europeans didn't know
how to farm before coming here...my statement was that the INDIANS were
farmers and fishers, the Europeans who first came here in the 1600s were
from the merchant class, or lower aristocrats, with little if any
experience in growing foodstuffs to survive...such skills needed to be
learned from the Indians once they got here...
>Middleclass has nothing to do with farming ability..
It does when your prior experience has been living in the middle of
cities, or even towns, and your practice of getting food has been to BUY
it from a local provider -- meat, fish, and fowl from a butcher,
vegetables from a green grocer...milk, cheese, and eggs from area farmers
who come in on market day...bread from the local baker...
It does when your experience of getting your feet shod is to go to the
local cobbler for shoes, instead of making them yourself...when your
experience of clothing your body is to have servants make them, or to
hire a seamstress, since such duties are 'below ones station'...
It does when your ability to get cooking utensils depends on the local
blacksmith...
Many of the first immigrants didn't even have experience in cooking food
themselves, having come from households where there was at least one
servant...
The point being, the FIRST Europeans had a very limited experience in
fending for themselves, being for the most part residents of heavily
populated areas who had a very naive opinion about how 'easy' it
would be to survive in the new world...they had absolutely NO experience
in 'living off the land'...
June
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