-Caveat Lector-
Ed, I think you were too busy nailing together your soapbox to pay attention
to what I wrote and you missed my point entirely. I agree that you have the
right to do whatever you want to your body, and nowhere in my post did I
challenge that. The issue I was raising was that once you get behind the
wheel of a car, you have now brought people into the equation who did not
ask to be a part of your choices or actions. That's when it becomes less an
issue of freedom than an issue of public safety, something that should be
monitored and protected. I never EVER said that the government could or
should be able to dictate what we as individuals choose to do or not do. And
I think if you had actually read and comprehended what I said, instead of
seeing it as a means for you to drape yourself in the American flag shout
about how the government is seeking to control you, you would have seen that
for yourself.
In the future, perhaps it is you who should apply a little common sense.
JB
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Moore [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 1:26 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS**
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> If I want to go to the hardware store, pick up a can of gold spray paint,
> bring it home and spray it into a bag and inhale..THAT'S MY RIGHT!!! I
> would be incredibly stupid, but it's still my right to do to my body what
> I
> want to do. If I get all screwed up on paint fumes and get into a car..my
> rights end because my "choice" would jeopardize other innocent people. Do
> you understand about "freedom of choice"? People have to and should be
> held
> accountable for their own actions if their actions interfere with other
> people's rights, privacy and lifestyles. If my actions don't effect
> anyone
> but myself, and I practice my choices in the privacy of my own home, then
> nobody, especially the hypocritical government, has any right to tell me
> what I can and cannot do to my own body...PERIOD!
>
> The War on Drugs is about MONEY and CONTROL!!! Alcohol, Pharmaceutical
> Poison and Tobacco are alright but smoking a dried out plant isn't? The
> War
> on Drugs is a fraud and people are finally seeing that by the results of
> the
> Medical Marijuana initiatives. Use common sense and see this issue for
> what
> it is and support freedom of choice!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brown, Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> >I have to jump on this one here. I think that punishing someone for the
> >potential to do wrong, in a case such as this, IS the right thing to do.
> >You mentioned that you may go out and kill someone because you feel like
> it
> >(hypothetically, of course). I think, based on that rationale, that you
> >should be restrained. If a person displays homicidal tendencies, as well
> as
> >an inability to understand the ramifications of their actions, then they
> >should indeed be kept under some sort of lock and key. If you drink,
> your
> >judgement is impaired, right? You are no longer able to understand or
> fully
> >comprehend your actions or the consequences thereof. You get behind the
> >wheel of a car, a very dangerous piece of machinery, and you are running
> the
> >very high risk of killing or hurting yourself and (worse) other people.
> You
> >wouldn't let a crazy person walk through a shopping mall with a loaded
> >pistol, correct? Yet, we see nothing wrong with letting hundreds of
> weekend
> >warriors out and about with their mental faculties no less hampered with
> a
> >far more dangerous and destructive piece of equipment at their
> fingertips.
> >Drunk drivers are a danger and a menace. If we could nip the problem at
> its
> >source, perhaps alot of lives that have already been lost (a very good
> >friend of mine's among them), could have been spared.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Teo One Thousand [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:27 AM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS
> >>
> >> -Caveat Lector-
> >>
> >> It is hard to follow your schizophrenic posts, with talk back and forth
> on
> >> the
> >> issue, but I will respond thus. Driving while intoxicated is a choice
> you
> >> make, there are consequences for that choice, that you MAY hurt
> someone.
> >> I
> >> may go out and kill someone today just cause I feel like it, does that
> >> mean I
> >> should be restrained in my house simply for that reason? I am not
> >> defending
> >> ones right to drive drunk, because I don't want to be killed by a drunk
> >> driver
> >> any more than you do, but it is still a penalizing of POTENTIAL wrong
> >> which is
> >> nowhere supported in our system of law.
> >> Drugs have been assailed for years at a tremendous cost and what do we
> >> have
> >> now, more people on drugs and a worse situation. At the least stop the
> >> insanity of a huge military expenditure (against the Posse Comitatus
> >> anyway)
> >> to combat this and do something else. The answer does not necessarily
> >> have to
> >> be legalization, but what we have now is crap, period.
> >> As for registering and living in areas free from "perverts" well, that
> is
> >> something that others have tried to no good end. Since under your
> scheme
> >> whatever goes against my grain is "perverted" I should have the right
> to
> >> be
> >> free from all of the nefarious influences.
> >> I suspect you were being somewhat facetious?
> >> Teo1000
> >>
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