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Eagle 1: You responded beautifully! -Pennie
>From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
>Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:51:09 -0600
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>This dialogue in the messages attached is truly amazing...
>
>To Pennie and JAH and whomever else may be interested:
>Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish to... allow me to believe as
>I
>so choose.
>It is my own personal belief that the ark of the covenant will *never* be
>found in this earth age, or on the face of this earth until God so chooses.
>
>In Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened [for all to see] in
>heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament [also
>known as the ark of the covenant] ..." He clearly states in this passage
>alone, that the ark is in heaven... where ever that is.
>
>One would assume by implication of the scriptures, by the name 'Emmanuel'
>or 'Immanuel' as stated in Matthew, Mark and Luke chapter 1, which means
>"Yah dwells with us", and with the conception of Christ, He is so
>dwelling
>and continues to do so. WHERE He is in each of our lives is private
>information between each individual and God Himself. (It is no one else's
>business, because no one will stand for you on judgment day, except you and
>Christ, the principle advocate. The slate will either be clean or filthy.
>There is no in between and there is no hiding the record of the book from
>the ultimate Judge).
>
>If *God left no artifacts*, including not leaving the body of Moses, nor
>the body of Christ after their deaths, what makes anyone think that God
>would be stupid enough to leave behind an article such as the 'ark of the
>covenant'? He is not stupid, and He didn't leave it! It won't be found,
>until EVERYONE, (that is A-L-L), see it in His temple as stated in
>Revelation 11:19. It simply makes no sense to think that God will prefer
>any one hu-man over another to discover this holy item or any other holy
>item on the face of the earth. Taking from scriptural knowledge, in
>Revelation, NO MAN WAS WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK. In the same respect,
>why
>would you think, JAH, that you alone are most worthy to find and possess
>the 'ark of the covenant'??? That is almost laughable... and verges on
>blasphemy. God knows men's hearts better than they do; they are greedy,
>selfish and unforgiving. God is not going to give to man what is HIS until
>the end of this age. God has given more than enough since the beginning.
>God is not happy with man and man's decisions to follow other gods and
>other
>doctrines than those He has set forth in His book - See Ezekiel chapter 34
>for a run down on this. ANYONE who professes to know the truth of God, and
>so convey it by teaching or by example is considered a 'shepherd of the
>people' ... and according to God there are many out there that HE DID NOT
>SEND to the people. They are self annointed, self righteous hypocrits! That
>is exactly what Jesus called the Pharisees many times; and it wasn't
>because
>he couldn't find other words to describe them... He meant what he said,
>"hypocrits", who are nothing more than "play actors", those who love to
>"play church"; those who come in the name of God, but God did not send.
>THOSE are the ones that give true Christianity a black eye. And is it no
>wonder that so many in the world do not know or understand the foundations
>of Christianity; nor from what they've heard do they want to know.
>Personally, I don't blame them, when they know they've been lied to going
>in the gate.
>
>Properly interpreted, the scriptures in that same mentioned chapter of
>Matthew 24 clearly state in plain english, "... Then if any man shall say
>unto you, 'LO! here is Christ **[which includes the personnages, His
>temple, the furniture in the temple and all that belongs to God]**,
>BELIEVE IT NOT!
>For there shall arise false Christs [those making claims to all things
>concerning God] and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders;
>insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
>Behold, I have told you [all things] before [in advance].
>Wherefore if they shall say unto you, BEHOLD! HE [anything that pertains
>to
>the true God and His Savior] is in the desert, go not forth; BEHOLD HE is
>in the secret chambers [those making claims to esoteric knowledge]; believe
>it not! For as the lightening cometh out of the east and shineth even unto
>the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
>Matthew 24:23-27
>
>It's simply saying that until the true Christ appears, and as long as you
>are in the flesh body, you are not going to possess, nor see the things of
>God.
>
>Pennie implicated false prophet, false information was being spread...
>I have to agree.
>
>Keep up the good work Pennie! Uncovering the sugar coated lies of satan,
>is
>what business of our Father's we are to be at. Thanks for this expose`.
>
>eagle 1
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: JAH Publications <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 11:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Dear Pennie,
> >
> > Thank you for your nice compliment about my maturity.
> >
> > How would you know whether I have quoted the Scriptures out of context
>or
> > not. You are doing it again. Claiming to be an expert on God, when it is
> > quite obvious that you do not know what you are talking about. Have you
>not
> > heard that: a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.
> >
> > How would you know what God would and wouldn't do? You talk as though He
> > would first need to consult you and ask you what He is allowed to do.
> > Amazing really.
> >
> > The Ruler of The Universe has said quite clearly that The Ark and The
> > Covenant containing His Laws is the one thing to save the world. Please
>read
> > that Bible you boast about having and look at the last page of the Old
> > Covenant/Testament, or click on JAH on my homepage, and read what it
>says
>in
> > Malachi chapter 4 and you will see that it is not a sign, but a warning.
>I
> > can assure you that He IS going to bring it out in His Own time, very
>soon;
> > as soon as I get the permit to dig.
> >
> > I have not separated myself from God, as you wrongly state, because it
>is
>He
> > who has sent me to recover it. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you
>to
> > access The King of kings' Bible advert on my site, to be able to see
>that
> > unlike you who only claims to read the whole Bible, I have compiled it
>with
> > all the bits the governments conspired about and took out of it because
>they
> > didn't want people to read them.
> >
> > If you really understood the Scriptures instead of just thinking that
>you
> > do, then you would know that God had Jeremiah take The Ark away from the
> > Jews in 588 B.C. and give it to the "Lost" Ten Tribed House of Israel,
>in
> > exile. All of which is explained in detail on my website at:-
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/
> >
> > If you access the Jeremiah's Tomb article and follow the links then you
> > should be able to see that you are wrong and learn the truth. However,
>there
> > are none so blind as those who refuse to see. So, I just hope that you
>can
> > calm down; open your eyes and your mind and see and recognise the truth
>on
> > my website.
> >
> > Thank you for your kind wishes of good luck, but in my experience there
>is
> > no such thing as luck and I don't need to dig up all of Ireland; only a
>tiny
> > area of grass measuring 2 metres by 2 metres, because I know exactly
>where
> > it is. All I am waiting for is the permit to dig, so I won't be breaking
> > Irish law.
> >
> > Thank you also for your friendly tip about not touching The Ark, but you
>see
> > I have to touch it and open it in order to show The Tablets and Scrolls
>(The
> > Torah) to the world as it says in Malachi 4. How else could the whole
>world
> > be reminded to return to God's Laws, all at once, just before the Last
>Day?
> >
> > If you really want to prove me wrong then help me to get the permit to
>dig
> > that I have asked everyone to help with and then I can touch it and if
>I'm
> > wrong I will die. But I can assure you that I will be perfectly safe,
> > because it is my job.
> >
> > I will not be the least bit offended if you don't kiss my bottom and
>anyone
> > reading your messages and my messages will have no doubt in their mind
>as
>to
> > which one of us is being neurotic. If you think I'm an idiot, then
>people
> > can read what is on my site and make their own minds up about that too,
>and
> > hopefully they will, as many have already and complimented me on it.
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry that you don't like it. It is not meant to offend anyone, but
> > unfortunately the truth often has that effect on some people.
> >
> > Peace be upon you,
> >
> > JAH.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: pennie hammons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 11:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
> >
> >
> > > Wow, your maturity level is stunning. Your postings speak for
>themselves.
> > > Did you purposefully capitalize the word "messenger" because you think
>you
> > > are a divine entity? Please say it was a typo!
> > > You have quoted scripture out of context to prove any point you wish.
>I
>do
> > > not need a website to publicize every concept I might have about God,
>I
> > have
> > > the Bible to refer to for the truth (the WHOLE Bible, not just the
>parts
>I
> > > like). Your pleas for a permit to dig up the ark are enough for me to
>see
> > > that you have separated yourself from the will of God to seek your own
> > > glory. God does not need a permit to recover the ark and He wouldn't
>use
> > > it's discovery to prove He is real. You act like it is the one thing
>to
> > save
> > > the world; a great sign of the Truth. Jesus said a wicked and
>adulterous
> > > generation asks for a sign, but none will be given it. First of all,
>the
> > ark
> > > is exactly where God wants it to be and will bring it out in His own
>time,
> > > if ever. That is a material thing that merely represents Christ.
>Secondly,
> > > we know from the Bible that the ark is most assuredly in Israel, as
>any
> > > other country possessing it would be cursed until its return, so good
>luck
> > > digging up all of Ireland seeking your fame. Here's a tip from me to
>you:
> > If
> > > you do find it, don't think for a minute you are righteous enough to
>touch
> > > it. As for my boyfriend and I...well, you are an idiot!
> > > If you insist on posting your neurotic website in answer to all the
> > world's
> > > problems, don't get offended when we all don't bow down and kiss your
>a$$.
> > > Love, Pennie
> > >
> > > >From: " JAH Publications" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: "Conspiracy Theory Research List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member
>(fwd)
> > > >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:17:25 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Dear Pennie,
> > > >
> > > >Hello, I hope you are well. The following is in answer to your
>unprovoked
> > > >outburst against me.
> > > >
> > > >You don't think that Joshua2 was actually telling the truth and was
>being
> > > >serious about his wife leaving him do you? The lies he told in that
>part
> > > >were obviously intended as a joke, although how anyone can think that
> > > >telling lies is funny, tells us a lot about them and speaks for
>itself.
> > > >So why in those circumstances would you think it was a bad statement
>to
> > > >make?
> > > >If his wife had really left him, I would agree with you.
> > > >It was his comments that followed the lies about his wife that were
> > > >the most offensive.
> > > >
> > > >I actually feel sorry for Joshua2 because he seems incapable of doing
> > > >anything other than insult me just because he chooses to disagree
>with
> > me.
> > > >He has done it yet again in his most recent message.* Perhaps, if he
>has
> > > >time, he will grow out of it. I, on the other hand, have insulted
> > no-one.
> > > >Joshua2 obviously does not agree with freedom-of-speech; except when
>he
> > is
> > > >doing the speaking of course.
> > > >
> > > >* "Dear JAH Dude,
> > > >
> > > >It is quite obvious that you are insane. I suggest a long rest and
>don't
> > > >forget your medicine.
> > > >
> > > >I'll be here after New Year 2000 to greet you when you come back to
> > planet
> > > >Earth.
> > > >
> > > >Have a nice Millennium,
> > > >
> > > >Joshua2"
> > > >
> > > >Are you Joshua2's girlfriend? because you seem to think very much
>like
> > him.
> > > >Perhaps, if you aren't, you should get in touch with him. You'll
>probably
> > > >get
> > > >on well together.
> > > >
> > > >How would you know whether I have translated the Scriptures correctly
>or
> > > >not,
> > > >or whether God would use a space-ship or not, or what Christ would or
> > > >wouldn't do, or that I am, as you call me, a false Prophet or not?
>That
> > > >same
> > > >phrase has been used against every Prophet who has ever warned people
>of
> > > >coming events and how to survive them, which is all that I am doing.
>If
> > you
> > > >don't like the message then exercise your own free-will and reject
>and
> > > >ignore it, like the people did with Noah. All I ask is some civility
>and
> > > >that you don't insult the Messenger, perhaps naively, going on the
>past
> > > >record on this planet.
> > > >
> > > >You obviously consider yourself to be an expert on these things. So
>where
> > > >is
> > > >your website so we can see it and make up our own minds, whether you
>know
> > > >what you're talking about.
> > > >Judge a tree by the fruit it bears.
> > > >
> > > >Joshua2's email address, just in case you are not his girlfriend,
>is:-
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >My website is there for the whole world to see, so that they can look
>at
> > it
> > > >and make up their own minds, for which they do not need your opinion.
>So
> > > >why
> > > >are you, like Joshua2, so forcefully giving it to everyone? They,
>like
> > the
> > > >two people below and many others who love my site, are capable of
>making
> > up
> > > >their own minds, without your help.
> > > >
> > > >For those who would like to make up their own minds, my website
>address
> > > >is:-
> > > >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/
> > > >
> > > >If only one person in 6,000,000,000 appreciates and is helped by my
>site,
> > > >it will make all the time; effort and the few insults worthwhile.
>However
> > I
> > > >have already had word from a lot more than one person who absolutely
>love
> > > >it, so things ARE really worthwhile.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Peace be upon you, and your boyfriend Joshua2
> > > >
> > > >JAH.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: pennie hammons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 6:55 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member
>(fwd)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Caveat Lector-
> > > > >
> > > > > "JAH" is a false prophet. Anyone who thinks God flies around in a
>UFO
> > > >has
> > > > > belittled God. God created the universe and life. Does He really
>need
> > a
> > > > > space craft to carry Him around? The concept is ridiculous. jah
>likes
> > to
> > > > > hear himself talk, he has interpreted the scriptures accurately in
> > some
> > > > > places, but doesn't have a full understanding of Christ. A truly
> > loving
> > > > > being doesn't say "I can understand why your wife left you" when
> > > >criticized.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member
> > (fwd)
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:37:33 -0300
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Caveat Lector-
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:14:29 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >P.S. Don't let those chumps that have been rude towars your
> > > > > > >message over the last 36 hours discourage you AT ALL....i.e.,
> > > > > > >TIME IS SHORT, and you just gotta stay with those spirits THAT
> > > > > > >ARE ABLE TO _HEAR_ YOUR UNIQUE INSIGHTS, i.e., there ain't no
>way
> > > > > > >time enough to waste even replying to ppl that CAN'T HEAR!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I agree, Mike! The site of our friend JAH is very interesting.
> >
>
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