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Please see my comments inserted below.
In a message dated 12/31/99 11:02:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Tenebrouse,
> How can you say that any discussion of Jesus does not involve Conspiracy
> Theory...?
I never said it didn't
> Obviously, because you do not understand the overall plan that was started
> by the biggest conspiracy that ever took place, and that was that LUCIFER
> conspired to show himself as God, per Isaiah 14:12-16. To follow the
story
> from the Serpent in the garden, (which Serpent is merely a description of
> the personna of this one; for he was NOT a snake, but rather one who
casts
> spells; and who was of exquisite beauty; and extremely deceptive in
> verbages), ... following to the last word of Revelation, which shows the
> rejuvenation, renewal of this earth age to one without evil; it then
> becomes very clear that this is definitely within the subject matter of
> CONSPIRACY THEORY.
Well, what you say here is thought to be a true model by some, others view it
all as allegory and myth. But taking it on face value it certainly does
qualify as a conspiracy on Lucifer's part. I believe that it is an allegory
myself, not a real description of real events.
Some, as yourself seem to consider the Bible merely
> theory, fable and myth... But there are many who do not. Those who do
> believe the Bible, or those who have been misled may like to learn more
> about the subject, and some people like to understand more minute details
> which are not directly conspiracy, but are a part of the whole which
> definitely includes the conspiracy overall.
Well, I do consider the Bible mostly myth, with some historical material as
well. Incidentaly that does NOT mean that much good cannot be gained by the
study of it. Which is something I have done. I am cautioning against the
degradation of the subject into one in which beliefs are used as bludgeons
against those who do not want to deal with it, ad do not believe as you do.
Christianity, and all religions have a strong conspiratorial side, IMO. That
is the reason I have discussed such things in this forum. I favor the view
that the Church IS the biggest conspiracy, organized religion as societal
control mechanism, designed to limit man and place walls about him so that he
doesn't perceive his true nature, and place within the Universe. But, that's
just my view, and the angle at which I approach the subject.
>
> I'm sorry if this steps on your toes, Tenebrous...
> but I don't always agree with your interpretation of what conspiracy is,
and
> for the most part, when I don't agree, or what you throw out there as a
> "conspiracy bone to chew" on, I don't jump in there and inform you NOT to
> do that, but rather I make good use of my delete button, as I would
> suggest that you do the same if you do not like the conspiracy that is
> implicated in the Bible discussions. However, I will agree that bashing
is
> senseless and wastes everyone's time and effort.
My only point if you would actually read what it is that I wrote was to ask
that everyone remember that this is not a forum to bash each other with
religious beliefs. I did NOT say you shouldn't, or couldn't discuss these
issues. I just warned that the topic may be veering into that area of
personal attacks. Religion and conspiracy are old hands and as such they
will continue to be discussed in this forum. My job is to see that the list
rules are obeyed and keep the discussion focussed and away from personal
affronts etc. I am glad you delete what you don't like, and especially so
whjen it is something that I write. I hope all people will make good use of
their minds to decide what has value and what does not. Monitoring and
commenting where I think it appropriate is my job.
> What you've said in essence is saying you're right and everyone who has a
> belief in God, Jesus, the Bible, is wrong.
Where did I say that at? And even if I did say that or believe it, what
difference does it make, you believe that you are right too. On the matter
of belief there can be no challenge, unless your belief is not very strong.
The freedom and liberty of
> speech hinges upon your own personal ability to tolerate other's opinions
> and beliefs in order to practice your own, even if you totally disagree.
> When you start dictating what others can and cannot discuss verges upon
> dictatorship and totalitarian beliefs, which I totally oppose, and I don't
> mind telling you.
You are putting words in my mouth and trying to attribute to me things that I
never said or intended. Please read the post that I sent again and tell me
where I have "dictated", or told people what cannot be discussed (except for
personal attacks, and arguments involving the denigration of others beliefs
or faith, or proseletyzing, which have no place on the list). Where am I
espousing a totalitarian view?
Incidentally I could not agree with you more when it comes to belief and
practice, if you wish to believe something and live your life in accordance
with certain moral precepts which bring you something, then I am all for it
and would vigorously defend your right to do so. Same goes for disagreeing
with me.
> I would like to suggest a little more tolerance on your part, of the broad
> spectrum of subject matter that enters this group.
>
> eagle 1
Again you totally misunderstood the purpose of the post that you are
referring to. I am not intolerant of discussion in this area. It is an area
that I have some knowledge and have discussed many times in this forum. It
will continue to be. I never did and will not ever tell you not to discuss
it. Believe me when I say that I am tolerant of everything that is said
here, and we have had some pretty weird stuff discussed on this list. You
may post all you want involving religion as long as you stay within the list
rules and have respect for others in the process, which is exactly what I
said in my comments.
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