Nice ________________________________ From: Tim Sharp <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: RE: [COWs] Ride in the lane
In the words of Keyshawn Johnson, Come On Mannnn! With no disrespect to anyone on this board, smoking does not cause littering - littering causes littering. If you will go out and look at the debris on the road and in the parks, and beaches, etc. the vast majority of the trash by volume is fast food bags and plastic drink bottles. What are we gonna do, ban McDonalds and Coke? Whenever I smoke something, I always stamp it out, pour water on it (to prevent fires) and throw it in the trash like most repsonsible people. I am not supporting or admonishing smokers. I am just tired of the daily whittling away of our individual liberty to the point where we are just becoming a bunch of lemmings purcolating in a festering stew of mediocrity. Vino ________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Lamm [[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COWs] Ride in the lane Amen, I spent this past week at Avon on the outer banks. Didn't get to ride my new bike as a result of the accident so I went to the beach with eight grand kids and had great fun. Butts all over the beach are only part of the issue. It seemed that everyplace I went on the beach, cigarette smoke followed me and the smoke takes away so much from my enjoyment. While I agree that it would be better if government wasn't involved, that seems to be the only way to control it at least to some degree. It seems so good to go into smoke-free restaurants now. James On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Jim Davis <[email protected]> wrote: Well said, I am not in favor of more gov't intervention, butt the smokers have brought this on themselves. No one seems to want to take responsibility for their actions or those of their children. One reason I retired. >Birdman > > >Sent from my iPad > >On Aug 18, 2012, at 3:44 PM, ssp <[email protected]> wrote: > > >.... >> >> >>....if the smoke ban passes then it will help the 'butt litter' >>issue for both CB and WB. The registered WB voters will have >>the opportunity this Nov'12 to express their desire for a smoke-free >>WB or not. The WB board of alderman have voted against a smoke- >>ban on WB twice now. This girl, Danielle Richardet, has pretty much >>proven the need for smoking to be banned on beaches. Here is her >>blog. http://itstartswithme-danielle.blogspot.com/ >> Well documented and evidence for the rule. Especially interesting >>is the comparison to Santa Monica beach butt litter count and the WB >>butt litter count: >> >>For the next 100 days, my friend Sara who writes The Daily Oceanblog will be >>counting and tallying the number of cigarette butts she finds during her 20 >>minute beach clean ups in Santa Monica-- a SMOKE-FREE beach. >>We're comparing a smoke-free beach (Santa Monica) to a beach with no smoking >>ban (Wrightsville Beach). We hope to answer the question: >>Do smoking bans really help the cigarette litter problem? >>46 beach clean ups-- 259 cigarette butts in Santa Monica >>30 beach clean ups-- 6,499 cigarette butts in Wrightsville Beach >> >> >> >> >>My personal position? >>I hate to see more regulation occur. The USA was founded on people having >>freedoms >>and opportunities take make their lives better. Having government get too >>involved >>creates dependency and stifles personal freedoms and responsibility. Smokers >>should have >>the freedom to smoke as long as the smoke and their butt litter does not >>encroach on people >>who choose not to smoke. >> >> >>That being said our society has, degraded to a level where people seem to >>have lost their >>common sense and decency and continue to trash our public Beaches and >>roadways with >>butt litter. I feel many smokers have ruined their own personal freedoms and >>the >>smoke-ban should be enacted. Sad, but a necessity as shown by Danielle's >>documentation. >> >> >>Boils down to this. Many people just do not care anymore. I think that is a >>by-product >>of the lack of good parenting in our children today. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Jim Davis <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>So where do you stand on the smoking ban on the strand at CB >>>:>) >>>Birdman >>> >>>Sent from my iPad >>> >>>On Aug 18, 2012, at 2:32 PM, ssp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>....nice ride Jim. As most of you are aware I am a living testament >>>>to the 'claim your space' philosophy. >>>> >>>> >>>>From the beginning I tended to ride more left in the lane than on the line. >>>>Funny thing, as many even mentioned from time to time about my more left >>>>position >>>>in the lane. Then that infamous day in feb '11 after a grueling into the >>>>wind pull >>>>with all the bike monsters nipping at my wheel, I resigned myself to the >>>>back of the >>>>pace line and getting dropped on 97E hills rode the white line for some >>>>oxygen relief. >>>>Sad to say my lack of attention to the leftmost positioning is what I blame >>>>to >>>>that white pickup taking me out. >>>> >>>>Right you are Jim and Kim, road position is very important to a cyclist's >>>>well-being. Even if you have to piss some people off. Now you guys want >>>>to >>>>hear my "asking the lady to please pick up her butt litter off the beach" >>>>story? >>>>Funny how intelligent and educated people can be so ignorant to common >>>>sense~ >>>> >>>> >>>>James: I hope you are doing well! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jim Davis <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>After Kim's post on the left turn I have been more conscious of riding >>>>further out in the lane especially solo. Today heading out Bend of the >>>>river toward old carriage noticed a car coming up on me, put out the slow >>>>hand signal. Car stayed a safe distance back and waited until no oncoming >>>>traffic and then passed all the way over in the left lane. Saw the car at >>>>the store on old carriage so I decided to stop and thank the driver for not >>>>trying to squeeze by. She said she almost didn't see me as she was on the >>>>phone. Said her son rode and she tried to be careful around bikes. Phone >>>>not withstanding had I not been out in the lane she might not have seen me >>>>at all. Be careful out there. >>>>>Road fixed gear for 22 miles at times rolling at 19/20. >>>>>Great day to be on the bike. >>>>>Birdman. >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>"CyclistsOfWilson-COWs" group. >>>>>To post to this group, send email to >>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>mailto:cyclistsofwilson-cows%[email protected]. >>>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/cyclistsofwilson-cows?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>"CyclistsOfWilson-COWs" group. >>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>[email protected]. >>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/cyclistsofwilson-cows?hl=en. >>>> >>>-- >>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>"CyclistsOfWilson-COWs" group. >>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>mailto:cyclistsofwilson-cows%[email protected]. >>>For more options, visit this group at >>>http://groups.google.com/group/cyclistsofwilson-cows?hl=en. >>> >> -- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>"CyclistsOfWilson-COWs" group. >>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>[email protected]. >>For more options, visit this group at >>http://groups.google.com/group/cyclistsofwilson-cows?hl=en. >> >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"CyclistsOfWilson-COWs" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >mailto:cyclistsofwilson-cows%[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/cyclistsofwilson-cows?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CyclistsOfWilson-COWs" group. 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