I feel the same. So far looks like "we dont know who developers are" is the biggest argument of Jake's camp to stay sort of reserved.
However, Rotor has been released for Windows in the last 36 hours. Its currently a pre-release https://rotorbrowser.com/ and cert for auto update should be fixed soon It should be no surprise that its carbon copy, and that the project is genuine, and in its early days. On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 2:19 AM, Marina Brown <catskillmar...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 08/27/2016 07:20 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Vasily Kolobkov < > >> polezaivs...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > >>> A tor fork ran in part by @jmprcx (aka @jmpedx), former infantry > >>> man with a background in offensive software backdooring [1] and who > >>> knows whom else?! Thanks, but no, thanks. > >>> > >>> [1] http://livestream.com/internetsociety3/hopeconf/videos/130717710 > > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:34:53AM +0200, Jelena Jovanovic wrote: > >> Thats malicious intepretation. Knowing about backdoors is excellent for > >> weeding them out from libraries, dont you think? > >> What makes you think same knowledge cannot be used to start the > abandoned > >> branch of Tor successfully. > > > > Also, I find examples of intent to being honest, open, and up front > > about who we are, much more useful, for both "a sense of real community > > with real people" as well as facilitating others to make informed > > choices "hey, if you don't like me, no probs, I ain't hiding who I am > > and I support your choice". > > > > The alternative causes those who wish to sincerely and honourably > > contribute to a community, but who might be 'rejected' by some, to hide > > who they are. > > > > Those who hide may have a genuine reason to hide - like "ex" CIA agents > > who stopped working for the CIA literally the day prior to applying to > > work for Tor Inc (to pick one utterly random and unrelated example). > > > > The issue with Tor Inc and their CIA employs (and throwing out their > > entire board of directors and including one token "publicly perceived as > > plausibly honest" "good guy" Bruce Schneier), is that they are wielding > > centralised power, and a lot of it (dir auths, most coding and code > > review, veto power (by never developing certain) over particularly > > significant anti-GPA enhancements to Tor. > > > > When we have Dingledine and co "wanting to make Tor Inc a comfortable > > place to work for ex-CIA" yet supports the lynching of the one outlier > > who opposed this (Jacob Applebaum), we have a serious problem, and those > > at Tor Inc are "lacking self awareness" of the problem, or ultimately > > compromised (by their dependence on wages or other compromises). > > > > Distributing the development of privacy tecnologies is an excellent > > thing. > > > > Being aware of who you are placing trust in, is another excellent thing. > > > > Not trusting those undeserving of your trust is a wise thing. > > > > Good luck, > > > > I tend to be more trusting of process than of people. If the process is > open and the license is ok i generally hope the product will be ok. > > ...but see how well that worked in OpenBSD with the IsaKMP hole being > programmed into it with a variable being set to zero. (but i am showing > my age.) > > --- Marina > > --
