Hi, >>"Craig" == Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Craig> you are also making the mistake of assuming that joe is in any Craig> way a standard tool. it is not. the only two text editors Craig> which can lay claim to being a standard part of any unix are Craig> ed and vi. Historical inertia is rarely a good argument. We are making a better system than unices used to be. Easier to use (which unices never were). >> You have to have a broader view (is that the expression?) in this >> case, since it is not only yours boot disk, but everyone elses. Craig> i think it is you who needs the broader view. the world is not Craig> composed entirely of newbies seeking escape from Craig> dos/windows. in fact, it's fair to say that complete newbies Craig> aren't our target market, we make a high quality distribution Craig> perfectly suited to experienced unix users. even so, we Craig> support them by including a simple editor (ae) on the rescue Craig> disk...why should we do less for our target market? Our target market, for the most part, is smart, adaptive, and perfectly capable of living with ae when they have to. Inflexible users of a primitive visual editor are not my concern. Craig> debian has been criticised in the past for failing to include Craig> vi on the rescue floppy. we copped a lot of flack for not Craig> having one as it is a tool which any experienced unix user can Craig> reasonably expect to find on a rescue floppy.....which is why Craig> we ended up with ae's vi emulation. it may not be real vi, but Craig> it's infinitely better than nothing. Actually, in the opinion of a lot of people, it is not better than nothing, it is worse. I tend to concur. >> If you want all of the stuff you commonly use on the boot disk, modify >> it yourself. Simple :) Craig> i don't want all the stuff i commonly use. i just want the bare minimum, Craig> and that includes a decent editor. That rules vi out, then. manoj -- "It's the best thing since professional golfers on 'ludes." Rick Obidiah Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E