Daniel wrote: > Have you received a contract from Google yet, does that say anything > about this? > The only thing google required me to sign was a Tax form which states that I will not do any work on American soil (or on a computer on American soil).
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Pranav Jain <cont...@pranavjain.me> wrote: > I have been part of other discussion communities and in most of them > administrators directly take the decision. > > I really appreciate that Debian follows such an open culture where they > ask and respect everyone's opinion. > > Said that, I believe the work of GSOC can't be quantified in a general > way. As Daniel said it depends on lot of factors like the task given, pre > knowledge of student etc. > > Mentors should try to get in touch with students and should try to > understand their state of mind and decide mutually whether they would be > able to do GSOC work along with their other pre commitments. > On 27-Apr-2016 11:40 AM, "Daniel Pocock" <dan...@pocock.pro> wrote: > >> >> >> On 26/04/16 23:54, Olly Betts wrote: >> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 02:18:43PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> There have been different statements about this from different mentors >> >> and Google themselves each year. >> > >> > What Google's FAQ says *this year* is clear: >> > >> > | How much time does GSoC participation take? >> > | >> > | You are expected to spend about 40 hours a week working on your >> project >> > | during the 3 month coding period. If you already have an internship, >> > | another summer job, or plan to be gone on vacation for more than a >> week >> > | during that time, GSoC is not the right program for you this year. >> > >> > This is certainly more explicit than the equivalent FAQ entry has been >> > in previous years, but what the FAQ for 2016 says is what matters for >> > 2016. >> > >> > I understand you don't like this expectation, but trying to subvert it >> > within Debian is not productive - getting Debian banned from GSoC isn't >> > good for anybody. If you want to change the basis on which students are >> > expected to work, you really need to take it up with the OSPO team. >> > >> >> Why do you feel I am trying to subvert it? Debian values transparency >> and that is probably one of the reasons Google has a lot of confidence >> in Debian, don't you think it is fair that we discuss this in the same >> way as any other challenge? >> >> The questions raised by some of the students are quite valid and I've >> been happy to answer them as best I can. The rest we can take up with >> Google and bring the answers back to the students and the rest of the >> community. >> >> Please have another look at my original email and the question at the >> end: "What is a fair way to make this clear for mentors and students? >> How many hours per work is it reasonable for a student to spend on >> another activity during the summer?" >> >> Is that really subversive? Or is it something Google simply hasn't >> explained in their FAQ? >> >> Let me be more explicit: if a student has a job working two 5 hour >> shifts at a night club on Friday night and Saturday night (10 hours >> total), how many mentors would feel that is too much? If a student is >> in their national rowing team and spends 2 hours each morning training >> and 2 hours each night coaching juniors or training, how many mentors >> would feel that is too much? >> >> Students going to another job for 8 hours per day and then squeezing >> GSoC into a couple of hours in the evening when they are already tired >> are likely to make more mistakes, sometimes they fail or disappear, it >> is demoralizing and frustrating for the mentors and I agree with Google >> trying to address that. I'm not sure that the way they have written >> this in the FAQ does address it though. >> >> Regards, >> >> Daniel >> >>
