On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 02:57:19PM -0700, ghe wrote: > On 12/29/19 10:21 AM, Reco wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 09:40:29AM -0700, ghe wrote: > >> Somebody just forgot to enable SSH while preparing the Raspian Buster > >> release, it looks like. > > > > Nope. It was deliberate - [1] (note the "ssh" part). > > Amazing. I'm a self-taught *nix geek, but I've never seen a release > without SSH.
Ubuntu folks used to ship their desktop distribution without a ssh daemon. Many LiveCD distributions do the same. > Not since I figured out what SSH is, anyway. Makes me > question the sanity of the otherwise quite rational 'Pi folks. If you ship a distribution with a well-known username/password pair, then giving a remote access to a user by default is not a good idea. Especially if your distribution is "user-firendly". > > Reading error messages is not a viable substitute to reading the > > documentation. At least the distribution one. > > Look. The problem was with the lame systemd error message. It didn't > provide enough info to figure out how to correct my action. And I did > look for dox. I looked for systemd commands, and didn't find anything > useful. That's why I asked the list. What I needed was a little help > from somebody who knows systemd. Systemd is an enigmatic beast, written by enterprise folks (RH/IBM) for the enterprise folks to solve enterprise needs. So of course error messages told just about anything but the problem you were facing. > When I try to use a CLI program from the 'apt' collection as a user, the > error message says 'Are you root?' -- useful information. ... and "apt" was written by the humans for the humans. The difference is obvious. > If the systemd message had said something like "A unit file isn't > enabled' or something like that, I probably would have found the > solution. After a couple responses from the list, I had an idea of how > to look up a solution. And in 5 minutes, all was well. See above. > > Small "problems" such as this "ssh-sshd" discrepancy is the reason > > Raspbian is frowned upon here. It's close to Debian yes, except for such > > small yet fundamental parts, which makes it different to Debian. > > I didn't know that. They claim it's the same (with a peculiar /boot > directory), and in the time I've been using 'Pis, I've never seen one do > anything different from a Debian box. The people see ".deb" file extension and think "gee, it's Debian". It's not. Reco