Content alone is not the criteria for condemning an email. I may personally
dislike the message but if it is subscribed, to "hands off". It is far to
easy, when we control the switch, to let our own tastes, beliefs, and
prejudices, influence our trigger finger. Many large companies have
outsourced bulk mailings to these groups.

The end user is most often the real problem. They have subscribed by not
UNchecking the "send me offers", and "receive offers from our marketing
partners" box. In a rush to get FREE software these are often overlooked. By
giving permission the address is fair game. To most end users junkmail is
stuff they no longer want to receive.

I have drastically cut down on the junkmail I personal recieve by simply
unsubscribing. It took 6 months and many angry emails to customer service to
finally get unsubscribed from e-week and the Ziff Davis stuff. It wasn't
junk but it did cut on the "offers". I am now very carefull to uncheck the
subscribe me button.

I think our biggest job is one of education. Don't put your email address at
risk. Read the fine print (privacy policy). Try unsubscribing. Someone had a
great suggestion on using 2 email addresses. One you give out to those you
know and a sacrificial one that increments as it gets abused.

Just my opinion

David




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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike K
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Opinion on bulk mailers
>
>
> What is everyone's opinion on bulk mailers like flowgo, gossipflash,
> valoffers, quill? The joke lists, cell phone offers, travel
> offers, software
> offers, etc.
>
> The old saying one mans trash is anothers treasure comes to mind.
> While I as
> an isp admin think it's trash, and optin is the only true legit method, a
> user might want this stuff. Most if not all are listed on the
> RBLs. And has
> anyone successfully unsubscribed from their lists?
>
> Topica is a good example, at first they appeared to be spammers then they
> seemed to have cleaned up theit act. I even see some of their e-mails come
> through with the Habeas signature embedded. However some of the
> emails seem
> of questionable content.
>
> Mike
>
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