Um - I'm not sure, but I think he may be right.  The declude virus catch
looks like a bounce from his server, not sent through his server.  As
you said the e-mail address is forged - so if an infected computer has a
user from your domain and a bad address from his, once his server can't
deliver the mail to the bad address it returns the e-mail to the
postmaster at what the server assumes is the domain from the forged
address.  I guess it is returning the whole message, virus included and
then Declude it catching it and notifying you.

I hope my server isn't doing that, bouncing infected messages from bad
or expired address.  If it is, is there a way to shut down?




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 6:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.Virus] No wonder viruses spread

Here is a snipet of some on going email I'm having with a LAN
administrator at a university hospital.  I forwarded a copy of the
Declude virus catch, to show them the IP #'s of the machine that sent
the Sobig virus.   I can't get it through his head that the headers
are forged, and irrevelant.

My last message to him pleaded to have him establish a telephone
dialog with me so I could explain the message to him ... I politely
told him if he wants to take the chance that a workstation is infected
within their LAN based on the assumption that he might really be
wrong, he was welcomed to the havoc it will cause.

<sigh>


David Dodell



===================Original message text===============
David,

In looking at the header you sent Marcy, the subject of the message is
"Undeliverable: Re: Details" which means our e-mail system was sending
you a
message back that it couldn't deliver a message from you.

My best guess is that Sobig may be on your pc, and you have a contact
somewhere to someone at uch that is no longer here or valid.  Not too
uncommon for we changed our domain last year.

Furthermore, our e-mail system doesn't allow .pif or .scr attachments
and
will strip them if attempted whether infected or not.

We appreciate the heads up, but based upon the header it looks like it
was a
bounced message from you that was infected and thus the hit by your
antivirus.

If you have any additional questions, comments, or concerns don't
hesitate
to let me know.


-----Original Message-----


This came from David who said this came from one of our computers.  He
said
he was this stat technology.  

Marcy

-----Original Message-----
From: David Dodell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:22 PM
To: <left out to protect identity>
Subject: Fwd: Virus Notification




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Declude Virus v1.75i2 caught the following:

Virus Name:  W32/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Virus File: movie0045.pif

From: [Forged]
To  : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:       08/23/2003 13:06:35
Subject:    Undeliverable: Re: Details
Spool File: Dc94a00d300be355a.SMD
RemoteIP: 168.200.2.37
SenderHost: Unknown

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Received: from guava.uch.edu [168.200.2.37] by stat.com with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.02) id A94AD300BE; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:06:34 -0700
Received: from mail pickup service by guava.uch.edu with Microsoft
SMTPSVC;
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Received: from uchaex2.uch.ad.pvt ([168.200.32.18]) by guava.uch.edu
with
Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:06:23 -0600
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
Received: by uchaex2.uch.ad.pvt with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
id
<RLYYQK7T>; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:06:23 -0600
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
from: "System Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
to: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
subject: Undeliverable: Re: Details
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:06:22 -0600
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
X-MS-Embedded-Report: 
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        boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C369B2.066CB0EC"
Return-Path: 
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2003 20:06:23.0921 (UTC)
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