On Mon, 2019-03-25 at 14:38 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote: > On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 7:07 PM Britt Yazel <bwya...@gnome.org> > wrote: > > I want to re-poen an old argument now that we have seen the effects > > of > > removing the sys-tray/app-indicator tray for well over a year. In > > short, the > > users are not happy. > > *Some* users. Please refrain from making such dubious claims when > there is no data to support it. Even “most people I talk to” is > unreliable, as for every person that complains about it there are 9.7 > users who don’t.
We don't collect data. But we do have community people in the forums and in social media and we can definitely take a "unhappiness" temperature. In lieu of data, you should trust that the community people working can normalize the chaotic input into trend lines. I don't consider it dubious because that's what the engagement team is supposed to do. Otherwise, there is no data driven argument one can make on anything honestly. > > I am a user and I am happy about the change. > I am too, but there is more to this. I'm forced to use topicons or some other because when I ask an application to quit, I have found that some applications don't really quit but instead are sitting in the notification area. That's kind of sub-optimal. So even if you like the change we are forced to put topicons back invalidating the design because not everyone is playing fair. > > > I believe our goals of putting pressure on application > > developers to ditch the antiquated app-indicator model fell mostly > > on deaf > > ears, and not having the sys-tray icons is mostly a nuisance for > > people, and > > big pain point for many. > > None of the apps I use seem to have a problem with the lack of > systray, and it’s clear that 15 years ago some of them would have had > an icon there (e.g. Music, Fractal). This has had a positive impact > on > my daily experience and I am thankful for GNOME to be behind this > push. One interesting aspect is that if you want to create an app that is targeted at convergence (eg works on a phone/tablet/desktop) the notification area would not be a great choice forcing developers to use our current apis. > > > > Our users (myself included) and our software partners (Ubuntu, > > System76, > > Purism) have reverted to using extensions to return this behavior. > > Again, *some* users. Count me as one of those who don’t. > The point here is that downstreams are putting in "fixes" because they are hearing from their communities that this is something they need to add to the GNOME experience. In the end, you have a community team for a reason. The communication has to bi-directional between GNOME developers and the community team who in turn talk with the community. It should never be about one way communication that isn't a great model and the folks working on the engagement team are doing valuable work and should be listened to. sri _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list