Doug Scott wrote:
> Ghee Teo wrote:
>   
>> Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Ladies and gentlemen,
>>>
>>> Desktop is probably the only community that has Contributor 
>>> guidelines[1] so may I suggest that we follow them (apart from
>>> the fill in the form part, since the form is not there yet).
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>   So the proposed guidelines have been accepted by the communities?
>> How, and by whom, through what process?
>> I still asking this as I think it is important to clarify (even though I am
>> one of the author of the guidelines).
>>   
>>     
> As a core contributor, they look sane enough guidelines for me to use. 
> Other core contributors may have a different opinion and they can vote 
> accordingly. They are only guidelines at the end of they day.
>   
I suspect most existing "core contributors" didn't pass through 
"contributor" status as guideline 1 recommends.   In the interest of 
fairness existing contributors and core contributors should eventually 
be evaluated under the same guidelines as newcomers, but since most 
existing core contributors should easily qualify for past and continuing 
efforts, this is a formality we can probably ignore for a while.
Though I would hope anyone who no longer actively contributing will do 
the honorable thing and volunteer to go to "emeritus contributor" status.

Of of my primary goals in helping establish these guidelines was to 
emphasize that "core contributor" and "contributor" status shouldn't be 
seen primarily as a path to community rights (e.g. the right to vote), 
but as a promise to contribute in the future. 

>  
>   
>>> These are the Core Contributor criteria according to the
>>> Guidelines:
>>>
>>> Core Contributor Criteria
>>>
>>> 1. Already granted Contributor status.
>>> 2. Significant non-trivial contributions have been made
>>>    in the respective area of expertise.
>>> 3. Desire for in-depth involvement in the Desktop community
>>>    in the Open Source context. 
>>>    (evidence or trend to show such level of involvement).
>>> 4. Actively involved in decision making that impact the
>>>    direction and formulation of the Desktop community [*]
>>> 5. Two References to back up applications
>>>
>>> In particular, I'd like to draw the attention to 1. and
>>> suggest that requests for Core Contributor status from
>>> non-Contributors should be treated as requests for
>>> Contributor status.
>>>
>>> Also note 3.  I personally think that even Contributors
>>> should be only those who are active in the OpenSolaris community
>>> and not just "doing their job at Sun", 
>>>     
>>>       
>>    A contributor is anyone who contributes to the Desktop, should
>> not be excluded because they are "doing their job at Sun". 
>>     
> If they only work for Sun (or anybody else) and have no community 
> involvement, then why should they be included? Just because they work 
> for Sun?
>   
They shouldn't.  The point is that in real life there is a huge amount 
of overlap.  Those currently on the "Core Contributor" list with 
*.sun.com probably don't make all of their contributions during their 
lunch break.  Likewise, anyone working on OpenSource projects within Sun 
are necessarily working on both sides of the firewall.  Think of it this 
way, I don't think many RedHat, SuSE/Novel software engineers would say 
"I don't contribute to GNU/Linux", even though relatively few of them 
have commit access to kernel.org.
>   
>> This is
>> just different mode of motivation to contributions. However, whatever
>> they do inside Sun should be brought/communicated into open.
>>    Just noted that the whole bunch of QA inside Sun are contributing
>> significant to the quality of GNOME desktop, and so far, their works
>> is only known internally.
>>     
> They should jump the fence and become involved externally in the 
> community. Voting internally to move their projects outside into the 
> community should be the first step.
>   
The projects Ghee was referring to have lived outside the firewall long 
before OpenSolaris was a gleam in Johnathon Schwartz's eye.

> Doug
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