W. Wayne Liauh wrote: < Lots of content-free rubbish about the print subsystem snipped>
>>> [There is a pending ARC case to make CUPS the >>> default] >>> >> So the ARC "Lords" are at it again! > > I have been refraining to say the following for a long while: > > I have noticed that in at least a couple of cases where the > requests were originated by Sun's developers in Beijing and the > issues were primarily local, but the requests were ridiculed by > some of the ARC Lords who ostensibly had ZERO knowledge of the > issues involved and who yet still managed to exercise their > Lordism and make a bunch of (to me) extremely idiotic comments. I was going to open with "You, sir, are a baboon.", but that seemed to be too much like what I guess you were trying to elicit. And it would have hardly been a constructive way to start. I don't usually get cranky about much these days, but you have managed to touch a button for me. So, here goes. You vacuous attempt to ridicule OpenSolaris as being deficient because the 'very most important part' of the OS is printing, and that it's completely broken, makes absolutely no sense to me or anyone without some actual detail. I use OpenSolaris every day, print with it every day, and when using printers I expect to work, have NO problems with it. Every day. I use a LOCALE of C, and indeed, I'm aware that using something other than C can be an issue from time to time - but I'm not aware of what the issues are, as I am an english-only kind of guy, so never exercise those code paths. The developers may also never know about these issues if we as a community don't tell them what is broken. And the way to do that is with a bug. To me it seems that at least the basic printing functionality required is there. If you have some *specific* issues with the print subsystem, log them as a bug. Further, with reference to the ARC - If you think some *specific* discussion points or decisions are idiotic, point out the issues and decisions, with links to the source of the decision. (eg, ARC case) Get the discussion happening in the right forum. I have read a lot of ARC cases over time, and in the vast majority of cases, I believe they make good decisions. (Boot archive not-withstanding - heh ;). But - like most groups that look at a lot of stuff and have to make many decisions, they do occasionally render what some may think is a stinker. Again, it's up to us as a community to let them know, with facts and detail, if, and why it stinks. Better yet, offer a solution. (and saying Do it like SUSE is *not* a solution...) Though I can't imagine you would, don't expect that content free commentary and deliberately derogatory statements such as yours will do anything beneficial, or that it will do anything other than upset the very community you at least *seem* to want to be a part of. If you are genuinely looking for assistance or improvement, it's time to put the stick away and find a carrot. If you just want to rile up the guys at Sun and get them to add you to their filters as someone that never has anything interesting to say and should be ignored, just keep on behaving the way you are. Finally, to the Sun Guys and others who have responded on this thread already - Top work guys and gals. I'm very impressed that you can take this sort of thoughtless and detail devoid ranting from someone at the Hawaii Linux Institute and *still* offer to assist. That's classy. You folks are the reason OpenSolaris has come as far as it has in the short time it's been around. Keep up the good work. Cheers, all. Nathan - stepping down off his high horse.
