On 2005-12-14, Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 07:53 +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
>> Combine this with the increasing BSOD-type behaviour of the kernel after
>> 2.2 (much of which may be related to the pursuit of "desktop performance"
>> which, of course, includes BSOD emulation), and still after 15 or so years,
>> not having display drivers in the kernel, thus allowing X to put the
>> system in a state where it only responds to the reset button from the
>> console.
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> numbers, or are you just hand waving? 

Waving hands, of course, but I do remember not having any problems with
2.2 not related to hardware (2.0, infact, didn't have problems with a 
crappy cd drive that 2.2 did), 2.4 did occasionally crash with oopses
in the logs, and 2.6, especially 2.6.14, does that constantly and 
reproducibly. 

octave:> inv(rand(6000));

Wait a moment and the system won't respond to anything, not even magic
sysrq, IIRC. I suspect that this is due to some hacks in the OOM killer 
that I read about. Fortunately, while researching that issue I learned 
of vm/overcommit_memory=2 and could altogether disable that absolutely
brain-dead behaviour. (Who came up with that overcommitting idiocy?)
I also have (had? lograte may have deleted them already) logs full of 
stack traces related to futexes and java processes, with an eventual 
crash not listed there, and recall having some other crashes, but not
the details.

> display drivers in the kernel?

Read my other reply. The kernel should include video mode switching or
other resetting functionality for reliable virtual console switching.

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Tuomo

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