On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:27 PM Peter Gutmann <pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
wrote:

> Ryan Sleevi <r...@sleevi.com> writes:
>
> >I'm not sure this will be a very productive or valuable line of
> discussion.
>
> What I'm pointing out is that beating up CAs over an interpretation of the
> requirements that didn't exist until about a week ago


I'm not sure if there's any value in continuing to highlight that you're
factually misrepresenting things, rather significantly, and thus
undermining much of your contribution.

Several times now, multiple people have pointed out the discussions related
to this that happened prior to, during, and following the introduction of
this requirement. Your choice to ignore or deny such evidence is extremely
counter-productive.


> If you're going to impose a
> specific interpretation on them then get it added to the BRs at a future
> date
> and enforce it then, don't retroactively punish CAs for something that
> didn't
> exist until a week or two ago.


This framing is factually and materially false. There is no retroactive
punishment occurring, just as the guidance was long-existing.

I don't see there being any opportunity to productively engage, given the
good-faith effort to correct your misunderstanding, which you still persist
in advocating. Similarly, I do not think it at all helpful that you
continue to ignore the objectives and goals of the incident response
process, the value and importance it serves the community, and the
expectations of the CAs.

Perhaps there's an argument to be made that we should litigate what "the"
means. It would be a fantastic spectacle, but it would be both thoroughly
unproductive and fail to achieve any of the goals or objectives of a
healthy Web PKI. Such exercises can and should be conducted elsewhere,
while the rest of us try to make progress on improving how CAs respond to
incidents caused by behaviours long-documented as incompatible with the
requirements.
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