Anders Rundgren wrote:

 >> So what is then real problem?
 >> 1. The European Smart Card industry who do not want to become suppliers
 >> of commodities.

 >???
 >Each time I talked to smartcard vendors they were keen on selling their
 >stuff. The more the better.
You mean there is a standard blank smartcard that you can buy from multiple vendors that works right-out-of-the-box in most computer systems? Using what kind of standard personalization software?

Different vendors have different smartcards but you can use them from different applications through PKCS#11 and CAPI/CSP. The software quality differs.

You claimed that banks do not use PKI with smartcards for authc because there's nothing available. I don't think so. The banks do not want to get involved with supporting software/hardware installed at the user's PC. You should look at the HBCI history.

 >> To achieve that we need a whole bunch of enablement technologies.
 >> Most of the PKIX enrollment stuff will be obsolete in 5-10 years from
 >> now

 >I'd never trust a system where the mobile phone vendor initializes a key
 >to avoid an enrollment process. If you really plan to establish such a
 >system be assured that I will fight against this.
The idea is rather than the phone vendor provides an Open Key Container which is initialized by a certified device key which is used for key attestations:

And how is the device key certified to establish trust?

http://tinyurl.com/6rg7ap <http://tinyurl.com/6rg7ap>

Pretty vague.

This all does not solve the basic problem which is: People are too lazy to use this technology to mitigate risks if they are not forced to use it (by law or security policy).

Ciao, Michael.
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