Hi Dan, It is possible to brand hawtio [1] - Red Hat used a branded version for JBoss A-MQ. Though I doubt we could ever meet the full requirements for branding and control that was outlined on the Camel dev list [2] - hence its probably easier to just remove it. I’m sure the hawtio folks (I’m not a committer on that project) could help guide you in how to add a better support for CXF - their goal is to get hawtio used by as many people as possible.
[1] https://github.com/hawtio/hawtio/issues/666 [2] http://www.opendevs.org/kpqms/git-commit-camel-7023-added-hawtio-goal-to-camel-maven-plugin.html Rob On 20 Dec 2013, at 17:42, Daniel Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:42 PM, James Strachan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> but if folks are worried about having a console from a different open >> source project inside ActiveMQ we can easily rip it out; it was only added >> to try give users a better experience of using ActiveMQ (particularly as >> the old-not-really-maintained console sucks ass & is huge). > > Ripping it out is certainly one option. Probably not the one I would > advocate, but I’m not on the PMC here (not even a committer) nor on hawt.io > and really don’t have a say. > > Personally, I’d like to see a hawt.io (or other) based console here that > would make ActiveMQ a bit more approachable. ActiveMQ is fairly complex and > not having at least some basic console or something that the users can use to > see what is going on could potentially make the “support” burden here even > higher. However, as Chris stated, if there is going to be something here, > it would have to meet Apache’s requirements. Dropping hawt.io directly in > obviously does not. I don’t know enough (well, anything) about hawt.io’s > architecture or internals or anything to know how easy/hard it would be to > have a console here built on top of hawt.io, but fully branded and and > controlled and such per Apache and with the ActiveMQ “plugin” or whatever > provide here. There are a lot of very smart people that are part of > hawt.io’s development so I assume there is some level of plug ability and > such there, but I could be completely wrong. (on a side note, having > something outside of hawt.io that could showcase HOW to add a “plugin” to > hawt.io would be very useful as an example to other projects that would like > to use hawt.io or add functionality to hawt.io. I’m actually thinking CXF as > CXF has a bunch of things like security caches and thread pools and such that > would be cool to provide better admin capabilities.) > > > As I said, I’d strongly prefer (for admittedly selfish reasons) having at > least some basic console provided here. Many users use the web console > (evidenced by questions about it just today on the karaf list) and I know > many of our (Talend’s) customers use it. Maybe if we could create some > JIRA’s of some of the deficiencies in the existing console, that could be > something people could jump in and help out with. Right now, I just see 3 > open issues for the console (one logged today): > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20AMQ%20AND%20component%20%3D%20webconsole%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open > > Could we possibly get some basic ideas logged there? Are there bits of > information that are missing that would be relatively easy to add? > > > Dan > > > > > > >> On 19 December 2013 17:17, Chris Mattmann <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> >>> First let me introduce myself. My name is Chris Mattmann and I'm >>> currently a member of the Apache board. I took a look at the goings-on >>> related to the recent change in the web console, where now it appears >>> the first link on a standard deployment of ActiveMQ and its web console >>> points to a web console from hawtio. >>> >>> I don't really have any skin in the game on which company built what, or >>> who's is better, etc. I have been around the ASF for nearly a decade and >>> have been through the trials by fire of Lucene, Hadoop, and a number of >>> the ASF's largest projects. >>> >>> I *do* however have a problem that the ActiveMQ PMC now is stewarded a >>> product, *Apache ActiveMQ* wherein which that product ships with a web >>> console that includes a first link to what appears to me at least to be >>> a specific company's product *hawtio web console*. >>> >>> With my Director hat on -- this is unacceptable and needs to be fixed. >>> So let's discuss how this came about, and what can be done to fix it. >>> I don't have time and haven't read through all the prior history and >>> threads, but I'm happy to read through links folks have for me to check >>> out, >>> and also happy to help lend a hand towards addressing this. It can be >>> addressed >>> in various ways, so let's talk about it. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> James >> ------- >> Red Hat >> >> Email: [email protected] >> Web: http://fusesource.com >> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews >> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >> >> Open Source Integration > > -- > Daniel Kulp > [email protected] - http://dankulp.com/blog > Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
