Well... That was stated on personal blogs and in other settings by some
ActiveMQ PMC members, but was not communicated to the community
officially [1]. For that reason, I cannot agree with your statement. I
know that that was the intention though.
Can we *please* continue this in a separate thread?
Hadrian
[1] http://activemq.apache.org/web-console.html
On 12/23/2013 05:47 AM, Dejan Bosanac wrote:
I just want to add timing of events here for the record. Web console is
deprecated starting with the 5.9.0 release and the plan was to remove it in
5.10.0. We invested a lot of time to provide the same functionality with
hawtio activemq plugin, providing it as a "tech preview" in 5.9 and a full
replacement in 5.10. This was discussed in various Jiras and threads
preparing 5.9.0 release and no one objected back then. So this is not just
a random decision to remove a console on a whim, but something we planed to
do for a while.
Regards
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On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Robert Davies <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Hadrian,
On 23 Dec 2013, at 03:14, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> wrote:
While I agree that the console was never an architectural necessity, the
reality is that it's very much in use today by pretty much every ActiveMQ
user I know.
I don’t disagree with that, all management operations with the broker are
exposed through JMX, and until the ActiveMQ 5.8 release it was pretty hard
to navigate the ActiveMQ JMX tree from any vanilla JMX console (e.g.
JConsole) - the name hierarchy was ‘bespoke' and it was hard to know what
you were looking for - and the original ActiveMQ web console provided a
convent facade on presenting that information to users. That issue was
fixed about a year ago[1]. The problem is that the original Web console
provides a static view on what’s really going on - there’s a lot of
information that’s been added to JMX over the years and the original web
console hasn’t been maintained to keep up with it - mainly because its so
painful to do so, and changes have sometimes resulted in a new security
issues[2]. Apart from an initial sniff test to see if its running - users
tend to move to something else pretty quickly to monitor a running ActiveMQ
broker - like JConsole, Jolkia, Hyperic, hawtio etc.
This thread was meant for a different purpose, I don't think it should
be hijacked by a different discussion. If somebody feels strongly about
removing the original console, I think that conversation should take place
in a separate [discuss] thread, a deprecation time should be provided and
an alternative (if any) presented.
It wasn’t my intention to hijack the discussion for a different purpose -
its just that the removal of the original Console and the use of hawtio are
linked [3] - currently both options are available to a user, but the
intention was to provide a least something to replace the original console
over time - currently that was hawtio - I’m not aware of anything better
that has an ASF compatible licence.
Rob.
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4237
[2]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-2714?jql=project%20%3D%20AMQ%20AND%20text%20~%20%22XSS%22
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4594
